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Slartibartfast
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Posted: June 19 2012 at 07:34 |
You know I've never watched the Ellen show before or after she came out because I could care less. Always loved her stand up though and I'm pretty sure the show wasn't all about sexuality. Not having seen the show I'm pretty sure every episode was not about her being gay. You want prurient interest? Let's talk Married With Children and The Family Guy. What Phideaux's initial comments reminded me of a story I heard Nichelle Nichols tell. She met Martin Luther King when she was doing the original Star Trek and was told him she was thinking about quitting and he told her she couldn't because it was the first to show a black person in a position of authority.
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CCVP
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Location: Vitória, Brasil
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Posted: June 19 2012 at 12:11 |
Phideaux wrote:
CCVP wrote:
I've never seen any of those "scientists" going through any competent interviewer as I've seen the others that claim that hormones and social background / experiences. i'm not ruling out the possibility, I'm just way more skeptical about genetic "evidence" of gayness; after all, we've all been hearing that science is on the "brink of discovering" the genetic reason for homosexuality for the past 15 years or so and, besides, it does not explain why women are homosexual.
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How long have they been able to search for genes for any "thing" or disease? How much money is thrown into research into these ideas? It is a very new field. It has only become possible with the genome project and sequencing of the human genetic code. Although people have identified broken chromosomes and genetic diseases, it's only quite recently that they've undertaken to explain characteristics via genetics. Give them time.
However, since "gayness" exists in the nature and in the animal kingdom, it hardly makes sense that it comes about entirely by "choice" and "environment". And, it is certainly possible that there is a genetic basis for female homosexuality as well.
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I'm not ruling out the possibility of a genetic link between sexuality and DNA, all I'm saying is that people (scientists) have either been jumping into conclusions or the news reporters translate "possibility" into assertiveness.
And I'm not saying that people have a choice about their sexuality, it just happen, they can only control it in a limited extent, most of it is off their conscious reach. As for the environment, it is a very broad term, regarding nearly every social experience a person may have: family, friends, school, neighborhood, love life, religious beliefs, political orientation, income, etc.
The animal behavior regarding sexuality, broadly speaking, is more directly regarded towards the perpetration of the species. Only very few species have been proven to be or act "gay" as we conceive it, being those the bonobos and (to a lesser extent) the chimpanzees. In the case of the bonobos there is strong evidence that their behavior is socially induced, as sex is regarded as a mean to ease tensions and stress between peers, a mean of solving conflicts and straighting up differences, as these primates, when raised outside their native societies (zoos), don't showcase any significant homosexual behavior (having sex with a subject of the same gender).
As for the chimpanzees, I don't know much about them.
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Smurph
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Location: Columbus&NYC
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Posted: June 19 2012 at 12:22 |
Why do people always argue about being gay being a choice or natural?
Why can't we just admit that it happens naturally (because we can look at it in nature), and that some people are gay because of environment? There's no way that EVERY SINGLE gay person was born gay, and there is no way that EVERY SINGLE gay person is a product of environment.
Also, Chuck Schuldner (spelling) from Death was gay I believe.
Also, the singer from Gentle Giant (cant remember name right now) makes my gaydar go off... but not sure if I'm right.
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Epignosis
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Posted: June 19 2012 at 12:49 |
Smurph wrote:
Also, the singer from Gentle Giant (cant remember name right now) makes my gaydar go off... but not sure if I'm right. | Kerry Minnear is married to a woman named Lesley. According to Gary Green, Derek Shulman got married around the time GG split up.
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Failcore
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Posted: November 08 2012 at 10:09 |
Ha, finally went back and reread this old thread. It was nice of Phideaux to come in and add some perspective. Thanks, man.
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dennismoore
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Posted: November 08 2012 at 13:14 |
Snow Dog wrote:
Wow..Nektar are a British band....sheesh...who knew? |
Dude, what planet are you from???
All the best bands are from England.... .... Nektar, YES, Pink Floyd, Genesis, Renaisance, too many to list here...
Seriously, how did Nektar come up here?
They are maybe the most underrated band of all time.
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timothy leary
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Posted: November 08 2012 at 13:42 |
PFM and Banco are from England too, right....................^
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Dean
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Posted: November 08 2012 at 13:57 |
timothy leary wrote:
PFM and Banco are from England too, right....................^ |
My spidey senses tells me someone doubts that Nektar are an English band....
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What?
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M27Barney
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Posted: November 08 2012 at 14:39 |
I have felt the cold shoulder of ostracisation - on this very same site - all I did was mention that I had worn womens clothing for the purposes of raising money for charities noble - and I reckon a few have deemed me too deviant too bother with any more......Even If I spent whole weekends with a red dress, red stilletos & a foxhead on - would that make me a dangerous person to chat on a forum with?
Anyway in terms of this post - Robert John Godfrey & Francis Lickerish were both openly gay and in a relationship for a long period - apparenty the band name "The Enid" was derived from the imaginary girlfriend that RJG had to invent to appease his mum & dad.....
Edited by M27Barney - November 08 2012 at 14:39
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Failcore
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Posted: November 08 2012 at 14:44 |
M27Barney wrote:
I have felt the cold shoulder of ostracisation - on this very same site - all I did was mention that I had worn womens clothing for the purposes of raising money for charities noble - and I reckon a few have deemed me too deviant too bother with any more......Even If I spent whole weekends with a red dress, red stilletos & a foxhead on - would that make me a dangerous person to chat on a forum with?
Anyway in terms of this post - Robert John Godfrey & Francis Lickerish were both openly gay and in a relationship for a long period - apparenty the band name "The Enid" was derived from the imaginary girlfriend that RJG had to invent to appease his mum & dad..... |
That's an unfortunate by product of classic Hollywood culture . I mean, one of the most famous horror movies of all time is about an insane cross dresser who killed his motel guests.
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Master of Time
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Posted: November 08 2012 at 17:44 |
M27Barney wrote:
I have felt the cold shoulder of ostracisation - on this very same site - all I did was mention that I had worn womens clothing for the purposes of raising money for charities noble - and I reckon a few have deemed me too deviant too bother with any more......Even If I spent whole weekends with a red dress, red stilletos & a foxhead on - would that make me a dangerous person to chat on a forum with?
Anyway in terms of this post - Robert John Godfrey & Francis Lickerish were both openly gay and in a relationship for a long period - apparenty the band name "The Enid" was derived from the imaginary girlfriend that RJG had to invent to appease his mum & dad..... |
I know Robert John Godfrey is gay, but Francis Lickerish is not. He's married to a woman named Helen, and I think him leaving The Enid had to do with his divorce from his wife back then, who he was married to during most of his time with The Enid.
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dennismoore
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Posted: November 08 2012 at 21:27 |
M27Barney wrote:
I have felt the cold shoulder of ostracisation - on this very same site - all I did was mention that I had worn womens clothing for the purposes of raising money for charities noble - and I reckon a few have deemed me too deviant too bother with any more......Even If I spent whole weekends with a red dress, red stilletos & a foxhead on - would that make me a dangerous person to chat on a forum with? |
Laddie, I am always game to chat you up. This is a pretty rough thread though. One can get attacked from both sides, in a rather nasty fashion. So don't take it personally... But the bigger more recent development seems to be: Who doesn't know who Nektar are? Pity the fool, I say.
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"Yeah, people are unhappy about that - but you know what, it's still Yes." - Chris Squire
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Failcore
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Posted: November 08 2012 at 22:06 |
dennismoore wrote:
M27Barney wrote:
I have felt the cold shoulder of ostracisation - on this very same site - all I did was mention that I had worn womens clothing for the purposes of raising money for charities noble - and I reckon a few have deemed me too deviant too bother with any more......Even If I spent whole weekends with a red dress, red stilletos & a foxhead on - would that make me a dangerous person to chat on a forum with? |
This is a pretty rough thread though. One can get attacked from both sides, in a rather nasty fashion. So don't take it personally...
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Geez, it has been. I feel sorry for poor Anal. He had rightwingers attacking him for being pro gay and LGBT crusaders attacking him for not being pro-gay with enough vehemence. One learns in time that you can never reason with a zealot, regardless of creed, orientation, etc. Even if you try to agree wit ha zealot, if you don't do it in the exact same thought process they use your still wrong, and not only that, but a bad person too.
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M27Barney
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Location: Swinton M27
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Posted: November 09 2012 at 06:39 |
Master of Time wrote:
M27Barney wrote:
I have felt the cold shoulder of ostracisation - on this very same site - all I did was mention that I had worn womens clothing for the purposes of raising money for charities noble - and I reckon a few have deemed me too deviant too bother with any more......Even If I spent whole weekends with a red dress, red stilletos & a foxhead on - would that make me a dangerous person to chat on a forum with?
Anyway in terms of this post - Robert John Godfrey & Francis Lickerish were both openly gay and in a relationship for a long period - apparenty the band name "The Enid" was derived from the imaginary girlfriend that RJG had to invent to appease his mum & dad..... | I know Robert John Godfrey is gay, but Francis Lickerish is not. He's married to a woman named Helen, and I think him leaving The Enid had to do with his divorce from his wife back then, who he was married to during most of his time with The Enid. |
I may have got my facts wrong then my memeory isn't what it once was - I definately read that RJG had an affair with one guitarist in his band - apparrently the song FAND has something to do with a failed love affair....I'll check it out on the internet - but that isn't always the truth!!
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