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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: November 03 2012 at 18:48 |
^ Well, then ... don't come to Reno! The waitresses here act very professional.
Edited by Dayvenkirq - November 03 2012 at 18:49
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Guldbamsen
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Posted: November 03 2012 at 18:49 |
HolyMoly wrote:
One time my daughter's softball team and all the parents decided to go to this Mexican joint after a game, and the staff were totally unprepared for a party that large to arrive during their busiest hour. The service was abyssmal, and our waiter was in way over his head. If we'd called ahead, it might have gone better. My wife and I never even got our food until after everyone was done, and the place was so apologetic they didn't charge us. We still tipped him on the amount we would have been charged, because he clearly wasn't at fault, and he's just trying to earn a living. He fully expected to get chewed out, but we were really cool to him (albeit hungry). I figured, what did I have gain for shafting the guy? A few bucks? Not worth it. |
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HolyMoly
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Posted: November 03 2012 at 19:29 |
The heartland of America is now overrun with camera men filming Chevy Truck ads. It's sad.
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The Doctor
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Posted: November 03 2012 at 19:36 |
I thought Tipping was a city in China.
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I can understand your anger at me, but what did the horse I rode in on ever do to you?
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Epignosis
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Posted: November 03 2012 at 20:42 |
Dean wrote:
Tipping should be stopped - it's a stupid, outrageous and demeaning ritual that lost it's true meaning eons ago. It is no longer a gratuity or reward - now it's a wage payment for just doing your job. It is far from discretionary even when it is not mandatory because in terms of salary and taxation it is considered to be a part of the waiting staff's wages and that's wrong. Owners and managers should pay their staff properly and charge their customers accordingly, expecting the customer to "make-up" the staff wages to a living-wage is archaic and insulting - tipping should be a payment over and above wages, not an expected part of them.
Also the practice of percentage-tipping is just dumb - whether I order the cheapest thing off the menu or the most expensive the "cost" of delivering that should be the same so the dollar-amount of the tip should be the same.
Even if a tip was a reward for good service (which it isn't when it is considered to be compulsory) it would still be an asinine practice - it is an after the event bribe to do your job.
Why is it that people working in hotels, resturants, taxis and hairdressers expect tips for doing their paid job? You don't get this in any other service industry and you certainly don't get it in any non-service industry - you wouldn't pay Microsoft or Apple an extra 20% for delivering a working piece of tech, or tip an accountant for auditting your accounts "adequately", so why are we expected to tip someone for serving food?
| Been saying this since I was a child!
I tip 20% usually. We don't go out often. We did today to an upscale burger joint, not really to celebrate buying a car (finally), but because we had not eaten since breakfast and I could not be bothered to cook.
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smartpatrol
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Posted: November 03 2012 at 20:58 |
Guldbamsen wrote:
Well if I've been served to a bit of cleavage, I may throw the odd tip on the table. That does however entail nicely shaped breasts forming an invisible forcefield hypnotising me out of my cash.
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Probably the most prusuasive reason to tip. A bit unfair to the smaller-chested girls out there, though. I don't think they deserve less money for being born with small tits
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smartpatrol
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Posted: November 03 2012 at 21:00 |
Finnforest wrote:
Sort of the flip side of the question as an aside.....
In general, do you consider yourself to be a "difficult" diner? Can you roll with disappointments that may arise during your meal, or, do you start to roll your eyes at the first sign of a problem? Are you "live and let live" or are you the a****le your waitress will tell her boyfriend about when she gets home?
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It doesn't matter, I'm already annoyed (and made paranoid) by the people before they even take my order. But I'd never mention any of my problems to the server. Try to talk to them as less as possible
Edited by smartpatrol - November 03 2012 at 21:07
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smartpatrol
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Posted: November 03 2012 at 21:02 |
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JJLehto
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Posted: November 04 2012 at 07:45 |
Some more brilliant commentary from Smarty
smartpatrol wrote:
Finnforest wrote:
Sort of the flip side of the question as an aside.....
In general, do you consider yourself to be a "difficult" diner? Can you roll with disappointments that may arise during your meal, or, do you start to roll your eyes at the first sign of a problem? Are you "live and let live" or are you the a****le your waitress will tell her boyfriend about when she gets home?
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It doesn't matter, I'm already annoyed (and made paranoid) by the people before they even take my order. But I'd never mention any of my problems to the server. Try to talk to them as less as possible
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....you do realize that if you ever get poor service there is probably a reason? Annoyed and paranoid before they take the order? Dude wtf? Anyway, tip 15%. If its really good service, up to 20. If its poor, less. If its sh*t then I basically dont tip. Gotta be fair though, be observant, and smart, often its not really the persons fault. Many just always do regardless of service, guess I'm just cold. Also attractiveness plays 0 effect for me, do you deserve a tip or not? Just ya know, if you leave one dollar probably shouldn't leave your phone number as well
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Alitare
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Posted: November 04 2012 at 09:07 |
The idea of tipping disgusts me. Whoever invented the scheme was a financial crook/genius. Hey, Joe, I got this great idea! I'll make the customers feel guilty and I'll play against their morality to make them pay most of my employees' salaries for me.
I tip, but only because everyone around me becomes awfully angry with me if I even talk about the prospect of not tipping. And the rage that waiters/waitresses give me when I talk about refusing to tip! Look, here, I'm not the rot-soul paying you $2.75 an hour to work your ass off. If it is so bad, why not apply for a job at McDonalds or another of the myriad of fast food joints in almost every corner of the civilized world? I'm not speaking through lack of knowledge, either. I've work in awful food dumps. I've worked different sides of the sh*tty fields. Working as a waiter or not I still feel the same.
I would only want to tip if the server went so far above what their job requires that it shocks me(which has yet to occur). I am always respectful no matter what kind of waiter I have. I am never rude, crude, or sarcastic. These are human beings working at a job they most probably detest. As long as my food is good and I'm not waiting an unnecessary length of time for anything I'm pleased.
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: November 04 2012 at 09:23 |
Alitare wrote:
The idea of tipping disgusts me. Whoever invented the scheme was a financial crook/genius. Hey, Joe, I got this great idea! I'll make the customers feel guilty and I'll play against their morality to make them pay most of my employees' salaries for me. |
Yeah, well, ... but if you go carry out the pictures of Chairman Mao, you ain't gonna make it with anyone anyhow ... unless you are a CEO of a large restaurant chain who can abolish the idea of tipping and pay the servers what they deserve.
Edited by Dayvenkirq - November 04 2012 at 09:24
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Jim Garten
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Posted: November 06 2012 at 02:50 |
Got to be realistic about this - tipping exists & there ain't nothin' we can do about it; those working in the service sector have always been paid appallingly - they object, they're out on their ear & another one brought in.
Crappy system? Yes. Anything can be done about it? No.
That's the way things are & that's why we tip - don't like it? Don't go out for a meal.
Personally, I usually tip around 10% if I've been given good service - in return for good service, I go out of my way to be polite & pleasant to the waiter/waitress; they get more than enough hassle from nobbers who think they can treat anyone on minimum wage with the minimum of courtesy, so I'm friendly & courteous to them & always give them the tip personally, rather than leaving it on the table as an afterthought.
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Argonaught
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Posted: November 06 2012 at 03:52 |
Guldbamsen wrote:
At one point in my life, I want to eat a big fat greasy burger in one of those American mid west diners with old beat down waitresses that smile like the sun itself, and then, providing the cleavage is present, I'll tip her like there was no tomorrow. Maybe give her a big sloppy kiss. |
[/QUOTE] My, my, am I familiar with this vivid description.
There is a curious "eating" place in our fine city, which has been overrun by a gang of rotund, loud, spray-tanned, goth-eyelinered country girls, dressed up as waitresses ("I will gitcha storted"), and yes indeed, a brief lunch visit will exhaust your annual allowance of saturated trans fat, MSG, sugar and salt. Thinking of the generous refills of skunk-smelling, burnt paper-tasting "coffee" On a serious note, the tipping culture in the US has evolved into a method of concealing the true cost of eating out (along with the sales tax, which is never shown on a menu). Very little to do with "gratuity".
Edited by Argonaught - November 06 2012 at 03:53
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Dayvenkirq
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Posted: November 06 2012 at 11:01 |
Jim Garten wrote:
Got to be realistic about this - tipping exists & there ain't nothin' we can do about it; those working in the service sector have always been paid appallingly - they object, they're out on their ear & another one brought in.
Crappy system? Yes. Anything can be done about it? No.
That's the way things are & that's why we tip - don't like it? Don't go out for a meal.
Personally, I usually tip around 10% if I've been given good service - in return for good service, I go out of my way to be polite & pleasant to the waiter/waitress; they get more than enough hassle from nobbers who think they can treat anyone on minimum wage with the minimum of courtesy, so I'm friendly & courteous to them & always give them the tip personally, rather than leaving it on the table as an afterthought. |
The Man! ... but ... only 10% ?
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Jim Garten
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Posted: November 06 2012 at 11:22 |
Dayvenkirq wrote:
The Man! ... but ... only 10% ? |
I'm a nice guy...
...but not that nice
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Jon Lord 1941 - 2012
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