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Posted: November 03 2012 at 21:58
..The image must be a powerful repellent, but how can I draw it back ? BWV 618 is about Good Friday, so its music cannot express anything but bigotry can it
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Posted: October 28 2012 at 20:58
FunkyHomoSapien wrote:
Bach was a REAL genius.
Actually I only like around 25 percent of all BWV's I've heard, and that's not saying he's anything else than an exceptionally gifted composer. But the recording of his works doesn't move me and shake my guts more than several rock bands around. So how do we care if he's a genius ?
If you've skipped three classes in school like he did, have a good ear, and get a solid musical education + passion in music + curiosity for every style + taking time to compile, you're likely to be technically as good as he was.
Because he studied very diverse styles, rythmics and patterns, nearly everyone of us is fond of one bit or the other.
Few people take the time and dedicate themselves to learn how to write a solid fugue, and become proficient with instruments played in the XVIIIth ctry.
Perhaps people are impressed too easily.
What do you mean anyway...
1. Beethoven isn't a genius ?
2. This thread is pointless ?
3. The fact people are still revisiting his works 262 years after his death shows how great he was; furthermore I don't care about the very purpose of this thread ?
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Posted: October 24 2012 at 14:41
jayem wrote:
Bach would hardly get the point in boosting the recordings of his works to rock'n'roll dynamics, even jazz
Bach encouraged his pupils to improvise. We can thus say that he was the first jazzman. Also I once saw a musical documentary in TV where some Bach music was seen as the source to the jazz "walking bass".
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Posted: October 24 2012 at 12:49
lucas wrote:
Jean-Marie, I quite like the tracks you posted. They are quite faithful to the spirit of Bach's music.
Thanks for Morse, Tull, Loussier suggestions. Nice to meet you !
Maybe you're meaning that similar tracks qualify for "faithfulness to the spirit" when they don't sound like an exercise.
Bach would hardly get the point in boosting the recordings of his works to rock'n'roll dynamics, even jazz, should he abruptly wake up now, would he? In that regard the original "spirit" is lost.
I'd also say that the joy of being touched by music refering to societies of a remote past has a taste of "spiritual" transcendance, which can be kept even when we pretend to "fit" that music to our likenings into extending the ways of rendition with current musical gear.
menawati wrote:
a raw heavy brutal and fast version of the long 11 minute bit Partita 2 - Ciaccona, riffs galore
BWV 1004 you mean? If nobody has done it yet this one will probably tempt some melodic metal band sooner / later...
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Posted: October 23 2012 at 18:22
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thellama73 wrote:
Teo, what's your opinion of Wendy Carlos' Switched On Bach?
I find it well done, if you like that type of thing. For my taste it is horrendous though. The counterpoint and the general idea is well preserved considering the instruments being used. But I don't enjoy it. Not at all. I used to have the LP (well, my dad actually) and even as a child I found it funny. As I got more and more into the Master's music as I was growing up, I found Carlos' work devoid of any interest.
It always seemed like a bit of a pointless exercise to me.
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Posted: October 23 2012 at 17:08
thellama73 wrote:
Teo, what's your opinion of Wendy Carlos' Switched On Bach?
I find it well done, if you like that type of thing. For my taste it is horrendous though. The counterpoint and the general idea is well preserved considering the instruments being used. But I don't enjoy it. Not at all. I used to have the LP (well, my dad actually) and even as a child I found it funny. As I got more and more into the Master's music as I was growing up, I found Carlos' work devoid of any interest.
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Posted: October 23 2012 at 14:03
Steve Morse covered Bach's 'Jesus, Joy of a man's desiring' just as many other guitarists like Leo Kottke. WIth his trio, Steve Morse Band, he often had one track inspired by Bach
Also, Jethro Tull's "Bourrée" is a famous Bach-inspired piece of music :
In jazz, Jacques Loussier made some good renditions of Bach's music.
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