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Anyway gotta say that mike Portnoy is the best. Peart is runner up for sure.
It's not funny telling a joke twice.
Well who do you like then?
I merely think I know who I think is best...I dont know. Everyone has their opinions and that is what this forum is about. Nobody on this planet can ultimately say who the best drummer in the world is, you can only think who the best drummer in the world is based on what style you really like. Anyway, can't quantify it. We have our opinions and I choose PORTNOY right now. 😝
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Posted: September 21 2012 at 11:46
dtguitarfan wrote:
The T wrote:
dtguitarfan wrote:
he's actually more than just the fastest drummer in the world
How the hell did we get to measure that?
Did ya watch the videos at the beginning of the thread? I do recommend watching them, especially the Time Warp one, that is just really, really cool stuff, whether you like Dream Theater or Mangini or not.
Oh well I certainly haven't. I used to have a reputation here as a DT fanboy so you can expect me not to dislike the band. But from "fastest" to "best" there is a long distance. Besides that, I'm sure the number of drummers that have been measured is not equal to all the drummers in the world.
he's actually more than just the fastest drummer in the world
How the hell did we get to measure that?
Did ya watch the videos at the beginning of the thread? I do recommend watching them, especially the Time Warp one, that is just really, really cool stuff, whether you like Dream Theater or Mangini or not.
Oh well I certainly haven't. I used to have a reputation here as a DT fanboy so you can expect me not to dislike the band. But from "fastest" to "best" there is a long distance. Besides that, I'm sure the number of drummers that have been measured is not equal to all the drummers in the world.
DUDE, watch the Time Warp video, it's really, really cool.
And the argument you used is kind of like invalidating Olympic records because we haven't measured all the runners/swimmers/javelin throwers/whatever in the world. Just sayin'.
DUDE, all you have said still doesn't "factually" prove Mangini is the greatest drummer of anything.
Haha, chill out! Mangini is actually my current favorite, and I am thrilled to have found out that he holds the record in the only quantifiable measurement of drumming (well, besides loudest). But honestly, you've got to watch the Time Warp video. Time Warp is a Discovery channel show where they use super fast cameras to film things so that they can slow it way down and break down everything that is going on.
You guys are gonna be arguing about sweet nothing's till your blue in the face. Faster doesn't necessarily mean better. Same goes with sex!! Lol. 😝
Sure. But you also want a drummer (or sex partner, for that matter) who is CAPABLE of going fast, which Mangini has proven he is very capable in that aspect. It's about having more brushes in your palette. Also, you want endurance (for drumming and...the other thing). And with Mangini's endurance record he's proven he has that as well.
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Posted: September 21 2012 at 13:13
Snow Dog wrote:
tamijo wrote:
dtguitarfan wrote:
So I found out (surprised I hadn't heard of this until now) why people around here have all the DT hate - it's jealousy, man! You just can't stand that they have THE (FACTUALLY) Greatest Drummer alive! (Queue the "well so and so is more 'tasteful'" comment bs, heh heh)
Current record:
Former record:
And an awesome breakdown:
Why dont you just post : Hey listen to this its great !!
A lot more possivive than :
So I found out why people around here have all the DT hate - it's jealousy, man!
Dont know about others, but not the way to get me interested.
I dont Hate DT. Its just not my favorite genre in Prog.
DT isn't a genre.......yet
You know what I was saying, you are just bored.
Prog is whatevey you want it to be. So dont diss other peoples prog, and they wont diss yours
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Posted: September 21 2012 at 13:19
dtguitarfan wrote:
The T wrote:
DUDE, all you have said still doesn't "factually" prove Mangini is the greatest drummer of anything.
Haha, chill out! Mangini is actually my current favorite, and I am thrilled to have found out that he holds the record in the only quantifiable measurement of drumming (well, besides loudest). But honestly, you've got to watch the Time Warp video. Time Warp is a Discovery channel show where they use super fast cameras to film things so that they can slow it way down and break down everything that is going on.
I think you'll find that a computer can play faster (and with more endurance), and by your logic is therefore a better drummer. An Apple powerbook is the best drummer in the world! Why don't all bands use them?
Nah, music should be in 4/4 all the time and never do anything interesting or unusual....
I think you said that exact same thing in another thread already. Dude, you gotta be more creative with your rebuttals!
I've never been interested in all these ultra-technical world record stuff, but Mike is a cool drummer nonetheless. I'm interested to see what he will bring to the table on the next DT album. Also, gotta love his excitement when he sees the cymbal wobbling around.
Hey, so I went looking around for this review as this thread kind of reminded me of it - it's one of my favorite reviews I've ever read, which of course is partially due to the fact that I agree with everything the writer says. And it's very well written (the guy writes novels, so it should be). But he says some very interesting things that address the complaints I hear so often around here especially about how "it's not all about skill, man!" Check this out:
EDIT: Particularly, I love this paragraph as it addresses some things I've heard around here:
I’ve mentioned the musicianship. On one level, I suppose this doesn’t matter. You could be the guy or gal who would be happy forever listening to songs with chord progressions that conform to the old blues standards. But it’s like any art–painting, writing, scultping: The more tools you have to fashion your art, the more options you have. If you listen to DT’s catalog, you’re going to find plenty of times they elect to go with more minimal instrumentation. That’s a choice, folks, not a limit because they haven’t the ability to do more. That’s stating the obvious, but I do it to suggest that the inverse is likewise true: musicians who don’t work at their craft have fewer options. Which doesn’t mean they can’t make hella great tunes. Many do. But don’t buy into the weak arguements of minimalists (whether musicians or fans). Great painters choose to sometimes render an image in black and white. But they also paint with lavish color when it suits their vision. What a bummer if they could see an image in their head, but hadn’t the tools to realize it. In music, arpeggios, soaring vocal high notes, precision and natural odd-time sections, etc, are tools at the disposal of one who learns how to use them. Like color paint to the artist; or fine-tipped tools for the sculptor, who elsewise has a hammer and nothing more to appoint the expressions on the face of his David. Uh, no. We needs to get in there and refine, I say!
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Posted: September 21 2012 at 13:28
tamijo wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
tamijo wrote:
dtguitarfan wrote:
So I found out (surprised I hadn't heard of this until now) why people around here have all the DT hate - it's jealousy, man! You just can't stand that they have THE (FACTUALLY) Greatest Drummer alive! (Queue the "well so and so is more 'tasteful'" comment bs, heh heh)
Why dont you just post : Hey listen to this its great !!
A lot more possivive than :
So I found out why people around here have all the DT hate - it's jealousy, man!
Dont know about others, but not the way to get me interested.
I dont Hate DT. Its just not my favorite genre in Prog.
I've never been interested in all this ultra-technical world record stuff, but Mike is a cool drummer nonetheless. I'm interested to see what he will bring to the table on the next DT album. Also, gotta love his excitement when he sees the cymbal wobbling around.
That's one of the reasons I'm so glad they picked him when Portnoy left - he has a lot of personality and infectious excitement! I love to watch him play, and see the joy in him that just springs out of him onto the drum kit!
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Posted: September 21 2012 at 13:40
dtguitarfan wrote:
Hey, so I went looking around for this review as this thread kind of reminded me of it - it's one of my favorite reviews I've ever read, which of course is partially due to the fact that I agree with everything the writer says. And it's very well written (the guy writes novels, so it should be). But he says some very interesting things that address the complaints I hear so often around here especially about how "it's not all about skill, man!" Check this out:
I read the article and would like to address it in all seriousness. Apart from the writer sounding like a stuck up, arrogant snob, he really misses the point of why people don't like Dream Theater. He claims that people who say they sound sterile are either jealous of their abilities or incapable of appreciating musicianship. That's nonsense. Most of the people here who don't like DT love other highly technical bands like King Crimson, and I think we can all appreciate Mozart.
We don't dislike the fact that they are good at their instruments, we dislike the fact that there seems to be nothing else behind the raw technicality. Mozart wrote beautiful melodies and intricate counterpoint. The technique was a means to an end, not the end itself. King Crimson was wildly experimental, but also came out with some simple and touching music that stressed content over form. Fripp was smart enough to know that, although he had the chops, he didn't need to shred on Epitaph and Lady of the Dancing Water, and as was mentioned before, Bruford had the restraint to know when not to play on Trio.
He claims that they are great composers because they write long songs that don't adhere to verse-chorus-verse-chorus patterns. We like lots of bands that do that, but rejection of traditional structure does not a great song make.
He claims that the lyrics are brilliant, but to me the example he quoted sounds adolescent and trite (not that prog is well known for having great lyrics.)
It seems to me that he is basically saying "if you don't like Dream Theater, you're not smart or sophisticated like me." and that is a stupid thing to say. Their music just doesn't connect on a personal level with many of us, and as he keeps repeating "music is personal."
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Posted: September 21 2012 at 14:02
HolyMoly wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
An Apple powerbook is the best drummer in the world! Why don't all bands use them?
Ooh, I got one of those.
Me too! And by any objective measure (speed, precision, endurance, volume) it is far better than the drummer from Dream Theater, and indeed every human drummer. I guess that shows that objective measures aren't very meaningful when it comes to music.
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