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The real beauty of Kashmir is that Jimmy wrote the Morroccan influenced song in an odd time sig of 5/4...but Bonham plays the tune in 4/4. A bombastic drive that repeats back to one every 5th grouping. It is really odd to break it down when counting it, but works beatifully to listen to in it's entirety. That said though, Achilles is a monster all it's own and I have to say I am partial to it.
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It's 6/4 over 4/4, not 5/4 over 4/4.
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Kashmir by a long way for me, it's so clever, un-Zep like!
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'Kashmir' sounds more mysterious but 'Achilles' has that nice galloping bass line and excessive guitar parts, really powerful drums.

Still have to go with 'Kashmir'. Love the orchestral feel and down-tempo beat.

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Both are nice track, but I will go for Kashmir.
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Achilles is my fave Zep track so i've gone for that, however when I watched them at Knebworth 79, Kashmir was my fave track on the day.
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both great songs, however my fav is:

"In The Light"  taken from Physical Graffiti

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Originally posted by Blacksword Blacksword wrote:

Love both, but Achilles Last Stand gets the vote fairly easily here. It's one of their most 'exciting' songs. I love the drive of it, and Bonhams drumming is magnificent.
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In the Light is so beautiful :)

Achilles for me better, it has a specias atmosphere.
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Originally posted by Lord Anon Lord Anon wrote:

both great songs, however my fav is:

"In The Light"  taken from Physical Graffiti

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Glad someone said it already!   This is definitely Zeppelin at their finest when it comes to epics.

Kashmir definitely comes last for me - you can just hear it Bonham, the simple beat is completely unlike him.  Yes, it works, but he's bored and not compelled to fill the song out with unheard catchy grooves like he normally would.
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Achilles', easy
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Gonna go with "Kashmir", despite its being overplayed.  *hides from thrown bricks*

I remember reading somewhere once that Page considered "Stairway To Heaven", "Ten Years Gone" and "Achilles Last Stand" a trilogy - had more to do with chord progressions than lyrical content.  Can anyone confirm or am I full of it?
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"Kashmir", hands down. Very modern sounding for 1975.

Not that "Achilles" is a bad song. I love the drive of the main section and that eerie guitar work at the beginning and end.
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Kashmir is awesome, probably Zep's best song overall. Monster riffs, monster drums, great atmosphere. 
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The one in my username, but Achilles is excellent as well. Both are among my favourite songs (by one of my favourite bands)
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Like them both a great deal and neither feel overly long to me. Achille's Last Stand just by a nose gets my vote.
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Achilles' Last Stand by a 100 mile stretch. I'm not a big fan of Zeppelin, but Achilles' always was a favorite and I still like Stairway To Heaven as well.
 
 
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mmm... difficult... but i choose KASHMIR! epic arabic sound!
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Points: 17777 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 16 2012 at 15:20
Originally posted by ColonelClaypool ColonelClaypool wrote:

I did a forum search but didn't find a similar poll so I thought I'd make one myself.
 
Which do you prefer of these two songs, arguably Led Zep's two greatest epics?
 
Personally, I'd say Achilles by a mile, I'm not fond of Kashmir at all.
 
In terms of radio, in those days, Kashmir wins hands down ... Achilles' never really took off in the FM radio, and I think that it was too harsh and not caring enough in terms of Robert expressing himself. Achilles was much more about Jimmy than anyone else.
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Once again i have revived an old Poll,hopefully the PA police won't nab me,but i wanted to get in one this one & vote for Achilles Last Stand!
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