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It's up against Usher (and less significantly in commercial terms, Fiona Apple and Motion City Soundtrack, also Now That's What I Call Country 5).
 
To be honest, I don't think Rush will take Usher out.
 
(I have to admit I used to like Usher back in the day.)
 
Now there's a supergroup waiting to happen: Rusher.
 
I'm kinda hoping Now That's What I Call Country 5 outsells Clockwork Angels just to see you guys react.
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Originally posted by Textbook Textbook wrote:

So how long does everyone give the BEST ALBUM EVAR phase before it turns into the inevitable NOT THE BEST ALBUM EVAR phase swiftly followed by the U SUCK NO U phase?

I think that's a bit unkind.
It's a good album - better than i expected .
Admittedly it's not going to win rush (m)any new fans  but it is good enough to peak the interest of a few lapsed ones.

Looking back at albums like Presto, Counterparts, Test for Echo etc they didn't generate the same sense of wonder so the excitement from us old guys is genuine and less likely to fade than you might expect.
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I agree that there is a tendency to overrate this album at first, probably because Rush doing an album this good at this stage of their career is so unexpected and unprecedented, but it is still pretty damn good even if some are overrating it.  Knee jerk reaction, I see this being a solid 4 stars when it is all said and done, not 5 like some are giving it.  Almost every song is at worst very good, and many of them are great.  Bands this old shouldn't be making records this good. 
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Originally posted by Horizons Horizons wrote:

Originally posted by Textbook Textbook wrote:

Yeah there is a bit of blind adoration going on but that's to be expected. Did you see ACR's love letter review?*
I am a big Rush fan, I have huge respect for their commitment to the idea that rock music can be fun AND smart. And Clockwork Angels is an entirely respectable album, better than most bands of any stripe are managing 40 years deep. But like you say, I'm going with 3.5 stars so far as well. The kneejerk-five-stars phase you have to sit through when a new album by a legendary band comes out is unavoidable but later come people who listen to the album not because they're fanboys but because it's so highly rated. These people tend to rate it lower than they might due to unrealistic expectations so it sort of balances out.
 
*ACR: Not trying to start something, just felt it was a bit too enthusiastic/florid. But it's great that there are people as passioante and enthusiastic as you, they're what keep bands going.

ACR is one of the best reviewers on here for those reasons. 

As i said before, i'm a fanboy of Rush. I like their post-Signals 80s material and their 90's albums. Snakes & Arrows, to me, was a very powerful album. They had a direction on that album that really was absent from their past material, which is amazing after their expansive career. But i still dislike seeing blind loyalty to a band, which you see a lot of here at PA. I prefer being honest about a band someone is so passionate about, instead of just cushioning what you are actually hearing and your true opinion. 




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Cheers! I hope my reviews are not too gushing, but occasionally a good ol gush over an album is not going to harm too many, I believe. I doubt I will be alone in rating it 5 stars. If it deserves it why not? 5 decades and Rush still have it! Let's celebrate it!

The only 5 star albums of Rush for me are Moving Pictures, Hemispheres, A Farewell To Kings, Permanent Waves, Different Stages and now Clockwork Angels. I think thats a fair assessment and wont get too many arguments. However the 2 star albums for me are Presto, Roll the Bones and Moving Pictures LIVE! the rest sit around 3-4 stars. Rush, Night, Windows, Fire, Echoes, Trails, are all in the 3 star rating for me. Some will say they are worth more but I cant see it such was the material. Lots of great moments but a heap of mediocrity and forgettable songs wreck them. 

Thats not a bad record for 20 studio albums!Cool 

And yes blind loyalty is typical when you like something that much and again nothing wrong with that.
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

A love letter?? Nahh....More like an indepth review by someone here who worked on 1000 Prog Albums list, an extensive Genesis catalog review and other stuff. CA has a very deep, involving storyline that is not easily understood on the surface, it will take a lot of listens to probably get the storyline as well as reading the band interviews on their take of the storyline.

ACR I think was doing what he does best in trying to relay that storyline song by song in his review, of course his enjoyment of the album certainly shines thru......nothing wrong with that. But the length of the review is good as it gives a non Rush person a very good story recap as well as his own take on the music, lyrics, production.
 
I could careless about a rating number, 2-3-6-100 stars....who cares. What gets me interested in an album from a reviewer is the commentary, how does he/she feel about the album and what has it done to them while listening. Give me all that indepth commentary and I will be more interested in trying it out rather than the 1 paragraph review with the staple..."really like the song writing"...."yea that 14 min song is great cause its long.."...."I really enjoyed it, I think you will too.." Most of those style reviews are BORING.
 
There are a few on the PA who do a great job in their reviews ACR is one of them as well as Lazland, EasyLivin and a couple others.
Sure some of ACR's review was love.....but ignore that portion and its a well written account of the album. More of that is needed if you feel an album is worth telling other people to go buy it.
 

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Again thanks! I tried to make the interview different to all the others I saw here but of course when you relate a storyline it can become a huge undertaking and that's why it was so long - also the lyrics are very important to me and I wanted to relate some of those. Believe me if I did not like the album I would not have bothered with such an in depth review as why would one want to waste time talking about a product they dislike. However, my knee jerk reaction was at first 4 stars. That only changed when I began to appreciate the in depth story and lyrical content. When all departments line up, killer music, no filler, powerful lyrics, brilliant concept and overall packaging and outstanding production, it deserves 5 stars.  
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I think the album to beat is Vapor Trails.  That's an incredible album and my favorite since Hemispheres.
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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

I think the album to beat is Vapor Trails.  That's an incredible album and my favorite since Hemispheres.


Seriously? With that horrid production? Hemispheres is the pinnacle Rush release with me as well but VT is near the bottom these days. I started liking it when I heard it in bits and pieces, but I simply can not sit down and listen to the entire thing.
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Originally posted by StyLaZyn StyLaZyn wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

I think the album to beat is Vapor Trails.  That's an incredible album and my favorite since Hemispheres.


Seriously? With that horrid production? Hemispheres is the pinnacle Rush release with me as well but VT is near the bottom these days. I started liking it when I heard it in bits and pieces, but I simply can not sit down and listen to the entire thing.


The production is bad, sure, but the compositions and performances are amazing.  Hell, the production of Nursery Cryme is atrocious, but people seem like it just fine.
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^^^ NUrsery Cryme is raw but brilliant! Vapor Trails didnt do it for me either - I was just underwhelmed overall - parts are great but its not gelling with me as a whole. Love the artwork with it though.
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Originally posted by StyLaZyn StyLaZyn wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

I think the album to beat is Vapor Trails.  That's an incredible album and my favorite since Hemispheres.


Seriously? With that horrid production? Hemispheres is the pinnacle Rush release with me as well but VT is near the bottom these days. I started liking it when I heard it in bits and pieces, but I simply can not sit down and listen to the entire thing.
 
I'm with Robert on this one. I love Vapor Trails and it sounds great to me. For me it's their best since Signals.
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Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

^^^ NUrsery Cryme is raw but brilliant! Vapor Trails didnt do it for me either - I was just underwhelmed overall - parts are great but its not gelling with me as a whole. Love the artwork with it though.


It is rare that I like the artwork more than the music. VT totally fits this.
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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by StyLaZyn StyLaZyn wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

I think the album to beat is Vapor Trails.  That's an incredible album and my favorite since Hemispheres.


Seriously? With that horrid production? Hemispheres is the pinnacle Rush release with me as well but VT is near the bottom these days. I started liking it when I heard it in bits and pieces, but I simply can not sit down and listen to the entire thing.


The production is bad, sure, but the compositions and performances are amazing.  Hell, the production of Nursery Cryme is atrocious, but people seem like it just fine.


In this day and age, there is no excuse for poor production, especially from a band that has been around for decades, IMO. I do not find most VT compositions to be anything great, or even melodic. How It Is and One Little Victory are my favorites but the rest of the CD is mostly dogs, maybe better than Dog Years. Wink
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Originally posted by StyLaZyn StyLaZyn wrote:

Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

^^^ NUrsery Cryme is raw but brilliant! Vapor Trails didnt do it for me either - I was just underwhelmed overall - parts are great but its not gelling with me as a whole. Love the artwork with it though.


It is rare that I like the artwork more than the music. VT totally fits this.

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Its brilliant artwork isnt it!


By the way heres a list of great Clkwk Angels reviews

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Here's a list of Clockwork Angels reviews, with more to come:
 
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I don't have a problem with VT sound....I only have the CD and I played it last night and there are a few loud portions. It is well documented by Alex they are not happy with the production.....But the album is pretty damn good IMO. There are some beast songs like Earthshine and Secret Touch.  Many of the songs are excellent......for me it has that special feel since before this I really thought they were done......Thankfully they are not.
 
I have heard some of the digital downloaded versions and those are pretty bad, especially the iTunes version......horrid. But my CD copy when the album came out is very good on my system.
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I gave it a first listen last night, and to be honest I was pretty disappointed in it.  I thought that the sound was really bad and Geddy's singing was really bad.  The worse part for me though was the concept.  I read the lyrics along to the music while listening to it and I found it to be disappointing.  I expect that my opinion will improve with further listens but that said, my first listen was a disappointment.
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I thought the vocals was an improvement. 
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Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

I gave it a first listen last night, and to be honest I was pretty disappointed in it.  I thought that the sound was really bad and Geddy's singing was really bad.  The worse part for me though was the concept.  I read the lyrics along to the music while listening to it and I found it to be disappointing.  I expect that my opinion will improve with further listens but that said, my first listen was a disappointment.


Hoping it does after a few more listens for you. I think there is some great material.
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Originally posted by StyLaZyn StyLaZyn wrote:

Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

I gave it a first listen last night, and to be honest I was pretty disappointed in it.  I thought that the sound was really bad and Geddy's singing was really bad.  The worse part for me though was the concept.  I read the lyrics along to the music while listening to it and I found it to be disappointing.  I expect that my opinion will improve with further listens but that said, my first listen was a disappointment.


Hoping it does after a few more listens for you. I think there is some great material.
 I really hope that it does too.  I expect that it will.  Unfortunately, my first impression was kind of a let down.  I will probably listen a few times without the lyrics in front of me to see if I think it sounds better that way.   
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