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Points: 10964 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2012 at 20:42
Originally posted by dennismoore dennismoore wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:

I sense fanboyism, and the excitement of the new album is clouding most of your perceptions. I'm guilty of it myself, so I understand. But I don't know if I should get this or not.


Hey man,

I don't recall, which RUSH recordings do you have/like so I can get a sense of where you are coming from.....


I have all the albums from the debut to Grace Under Pressure. I also have Counterparts and Snakes & Arrows. I've heard Power Windows and Roll the Bones, but don't own them. I haven't been in a big Rush mood in a long time, but from what I remember, my favorites are the classics. 2112, A Farewell to Kings, Hemispheres, Permanent Waves, and Moving Pictures. I also enjoy Signals and Fly By Night from time to time. I like Snakes & Arrows, but it doesn't go on often, and I can't remember the last time I listened to Grace Under Pressure or Counterparts.
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Gazing up at my Rush calendar, the owl's eyes stare at me as if to say, what the heck are you doing on PA again when you were on it all night? I ask myself the same question as I wipe the sleep from my eyes, feeling like I had been on the turps all night, but I don't drink anymore....  

Well some interesting posts here, but when it comes down to it Rush' "Clockwork Angels" is a masterwork. After posting a review at 3am last night (yawn), it took me that log to finish it and read over it and edit out typos....  (I make too many for comfort), I woke up thinking I wonder if it will sound as good if I play it again. 

The Cd has been on repeat over 3 solid days - in between playing my new Eloy albums which I love also. 

I played CA just now and was floored by the production quality and the overall musical content. Lee just sang, "in the fullness of time a garden to nurture and protect" and the words just take on such a weight.... it is quite an achievement for a band that has been travelling as long as they have over 5 decades and 20 albums of incredible music. 


I don't care if it does not appeal to everyone - It wont! But it touched me in a way that confirmed Rush as my all time favourite band! 



So my top Rush albums are now:

1 MOVING PICTURES
2 A FAREWELL TO KINGS
3 CLOCKWORK ANGELS
4 PERMANENT WAVES
5 HEMISPHERES
6 COUNTERPARTS
7 2112
8 GRACE UNDER PRESSURE
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Points: 2549 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2012 at 21:03
Originally posted by dennismoore dennismoore wrote:


Now all we need is a review of Clockwork Angels by Dr. Prog and we will be good to go.    Wink   LOL
 
I'd like to hear one from Dr. Ball or thewickedfall. LOL
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Points: 14258 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 11 2012 at 21:11
^^^ so would I. Not enough reviews - Its officially released today and amazon wont allow any reviews yet... Oh well. 

Moving onto "Feedback" now - not a bad cover album for Rush - weird hearing it after CA...
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Hey do you Rushaholics agree with this statement on 7 Cities of Gold:
I never considered this before - but is it a psychedelic section reminiscent of 2001 - that is interesting....

"Lifeson's guitar breathes fire straight off - his first riff is Hendrixian in spirit - with Lee and Peart catching up for this devilish workout, underpinned by urgent keyboards and Lee's dark-toned vocals.

Seven Cities Of Gold contains nods to Rush's past, but the whole thing feels incredibly alive and vital, with a dazzling assortment of riffs that dodge and weave, rise and fall. The middle section is a sea of psychedelia - it's not outwardly trippy or retro, but it's disorienting, the aural equivalent of the light show in 2001: A Space Odyssey.

A mind-blower, and by the end, all three members are kicking up major dirt.
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Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:


I have all the albums from the debut to Grace Under Pressure. I also have Counterparts and Snakes & Arrows. I've heard Power Windows and Roll the Bones, but don't own them. I haven't been in a big Rush mood in a long time, but from what I remember, my favorites are the classics. 2112, A Farewell to Kings, Hemispheres, Permanent Waves, and Moving Pictures. I also enjoy Signals and Fly By Night from time to time. I like Snakes & Arrows, but it doesn't go on often, and I can't remember the last time I listened to Grace Under Pressure or Counterparts.


I learned from our Flower King thread that there is no way to know if a person will like a new record or not, however...

Seeing your RUSH collection I do think a key element is poignant here.  Zumacraig aptly pointed out that Geddy has been composing on the last several CDs outside of a major key which he did on all the records that you have (and that I have & love, for what it is worth...)  Geddy now writes mostly with minor & dissonant intervals like so many of today's alt rock and metal bands, What are Geddy's reasons to write this way? Those are his. But....this point does explain why the last 4 RUSH records sound so different than the older stuff.  Plus RUSH seemed to condemn the older more classical form of writing and moved to almost an exclusive pop verse chorus verse format.  The song Animate from Counterparts is a perfect example.  Animate is pure commercial product, verse chorus verse with fade out chorus repeatedly. One may like this or hate it but you can't debate the pure commercialism of this switch.  If you love Xanadu or 2112, chances are you want a bit more than verse chorus verse ad nauseam for 3.5 minutes, it stands to reason.

Here's my point:  The new CD seems to be a mix of the old style of writing in a major mode and a continuation
of the modern era minor/dissonant mode.  Track 1 is modern, track 3 is classic RUSH, etc....   So it is a mix.

My point is:  I think you would enjoy parts of Clockwork Angels and not like other parts.  The RUSH fan who loves all their records from RUSH to Snakes & Arrows will go absolutely crazy over this and will be in Heaven with Clockwork Angels.

Just my $.02 after playing Clockwork Angels about 10 times.

Cheers!

DM
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Originally posted by AtomicCrimsonRush AtomicCrimsonRush wrote:

Hey do you Rushaholics agree with this statement on 7 Cities of Gold:
I never considered this before - but is it a psychedelic section reminiscent of 2001 - that is interesting....

"Lifeson's guitar breathes fire straight off - his first riff is Hendrixian in spirit - with Lee and Peart catching up for this devilish workout, underpinned by urgent keyboards and Lee's dark-toned vocals.

Seven Cities Of Gold contains nods to Rush's past, but the whole thing feels incredibly alive and vital, with a dazzling assortment of riffs that dodge and weave, rise and fall. The middle section is a sea of psychedelia - it's not outwardly trippy or retro, but it's disorienting, the aural equivalent of the light show in 2001: A Space Odyssey.

A mind-blower, and by the end, all three members are kicking up major dirt.


I need to read that song by song review again...Now that I have heard the album a bunch of times.
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^^^ It is an interesting read on that website and I like his ideas. I didnt read any of the professional reviews before reviewing the album as I didt want to be persuaded by any of their ideas and opinions. Theres some great reviews now online and worth wading through as you listen. i am listening to Rush LIve R30 now for the first time and like the live sound. Its very raw after hearing the polished CA production.


 
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Originally posted by dennismoore dennismoore wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:


I have all the albums from the debut to Grace Under Pressure. I also have Counterparts and Snakes & Arrows. I've heard Power Windows and Roll the Bones, but don't own them. I haven't been in a big Rush mood in a long time, but from what I remember, my favorites are the classics. 2112, A Farewell to Kings, Hemispheres, Permanent Waves, and Moving Pictures. I also enjoy Signals and Fly By Night from time to time. I like Snakes & Arrows, but it doesn't go on often, and I can't remember the last time I listened to Grace Under Pressure or Counterparts.


I learned from our Flower King thread that there is no way to know if a person will like a new record or not, however...

Seeing your RUSH collection I do think a key element is poignant here.  Zumacraig aptly pointed out that Geddy has been composing on the last several CDs outside of a major key which he did on all the records that you have (and that I have & love, for what it is worth...)  Geddy now writes mostly with minor & dissonant intervals like so many of today's alt rock and metal bands, What are Geddy's reasons to write this way? Those are his. But....this point does explain why the last 4 RUSH records sound so different than the older stuff.  Plus RUSH seemed to condemn the older more classical form of writing and moved to almost an exclusive pop verse chorus verse format.  The song Animate from Counterparts is a perfect example.  Animate is pure commercial product, verse chorus verse with fade out chorus repeatedly. One may like this or hate it but you can't debate the pure commercialism of this switch.  If you love Xanadu or 2112, chances are you want a bit more than verse chorus verse ad nauseam for 3.5 minutes, it stands to reason.

Here's my point:  The new CD seems to be a mix of the old style of writing in a major mode and a continuation
of the modern era minor/dissonant mode.  Track 1 is modern, track 3 is classic RUSH, etc....   So it is a mix.

My point is:  I think you would enjoy parts of Clockwork Angels and not like other parts.  The RUSH fan who loves all their records from RUSH to Snakes & Arrows will go absolutely crazy over this and will be in Heaven with Clockwork Angels.

Just my $.02 after playing Clockwork Angels about 10 times.

Cheers!

DM

Spot on! I think all Rush fans will gain tremendous enjoyment from this as it captures the 70s feel and still maintains a modern approach. Absolutely crazy over this album for sure! 

Its now loaded online and fans are raving about it! It's worth reading the comments on facebook, youtube and soon amazon will have some reviews - they wont allow any yet but its OUT!

I havent heard a bad word about it yet. If anyone posts a negative 1 star review it will make for some light hearted comic relief though....
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Haven't seen such enthusiasm for a new Rush album in ages. Good.
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Originally posted by dennismoore dennismoore wrote:

Originally posted by Biff Tannen Biff Tannen wrote:

Originally posted by dennismoore dennismoore wrote:

 
Get a 5.1 system and play the RUSH 5.1 mixes of Fly By Night & Farewell to Kings & Signals.  Then play oh say,
RUSH - Counterparts on the same exact system:  You will clearly observe all the things Zuma wrote about....
Overly tinny sound, no clarity of the instruments, compression that kills stereo imagery. Bad sounding digital
guitar effects, etc....

Okay, bad example, considering Counterparts sounds awesome.  Counterparts does not suffer from compression or loudness or anything that the albums since pretty much all have (especially Vapor Trails).  

The new album is a bit too hot at times, and I wish was a bit less noisy during the most rocking parts (although not even close to as offensive as VT in that regard), but the music on it is so good that I can overlook that for the most part.  


Mr. Biff:

You have perhaps the coolest name here on the forum...       "Hey McFly!!!!"....        LOL

Just for clarity, I didn't include Clockwork Angels, as it hadn't existed as I wrote my post!  I was speaking of:

Counterparts (1993)
Test for Echo (1996)
Vapor Trails (2002)
Snakes & Arrows (2007)  (the best sounding of this bunch by far...)

After blasting Fly By Night & Farewell to Kings & Signals (new 5.1 DVD-Audio mix) I played tracks off the selected above RUSH records and I have yet to recover.  It was horrible, sonically speaking.  No they are not all equally over compressed, but they all sound like sh&%t compared to even Fly By Night.

Have you heard the new Fly By Night in 5.1?

Haha, thanks on the shout-out on the name!  Back to the Future rules!  All three of 'em.  Cool

No, I have not heard the 5.1 Fly by Night yet, but while you might not like the mix of the later stuff as much as the early stuff, I think it is unfair to lump Counterparts into the same group as Vapor Trails.  Might I suggest giving all of CP another good listen on a good stereo? ;) 


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Title track is the bomb! Great release overall. Deserving of a high ranking here.

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Also, I am a bit disappointed with the production/mix. I believe Steven Wilson could have made this release over-the-top awesome sonically.
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It IS a bit bass-filled isn't it?

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I'd love to hear Steven Wilson mix a Rush album, and he could have made this one sound better, but this is still a good-sounding CD, just not great because it is a bit too hot at times.  Still a pretty great overall record, though.  I literally cannot get enough of it. Cool
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Originally posted by Catcher10 Catcher10 wrote:

 
No worries!! But if you have the CD, why on earth are you ripping in a lossy format??Confused
 
All my CD rips are done as WMA Lossless anywhere from 900kbps to 1200kbps


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Me and my buddy got our Rush tour shirts from last year, went up to Best Buy and each bought a copy of Clockwork Angels and haven't stopped listening to it since! Big smile (and we got Chick fil la LOL)
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AtomicCrimsonRush: I know this is a Rush thread, but I just wanted to say that I really enjoyed your recent Sigur Ros - Agaetis Byrjun review. Great read. I love that album dearly - one of my all time favourites. Big smile
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Originally posted by dennismoore dennismoore wrote:

Originally posted by darkshade darkshade wrote:


I have all the albums from the debut to Grace Under Pressure. I also have Counterparts and Snakes & Arrows. I've heard Power Windows and Roll the Bones, but don't own them. I haven't been in a big Rush mood in a long time, but from what I remember, my favorites are the classics. 2112, A Farewell to Kings, Hemispheres, Permanent Waves, and Moving Pictures. I also enjoy Signals and Fly By Night from time to time. I like Snakes & Arrows, but it doesn't go on often, and I can't remember the last time I listened to Grace Under Pressure or Counterparts.


I learned from our Flower King thread that there is no way to know if a person will like a new record or not, however...

Seeing your RUSH collection I do think a key element is poignant here.  Zumacraig aptly pointed out that Geddy has been composing on the last several CDs outside of a major key which he did on all the records that you have (and that I have & love, for what it is worth...)  Geddy now writes mostly with minor & dissonant intervals like so many of today's alt rock and metal bands, What are Geddy's reasons to write this way? Those are his. But....this point does explain why the last 4 RUSH records sound so different than the older stuff.  Plus RUSH seemed to condemn the older more classical form of writing and moved to almost an exclusive pop verse chorus verse format.  The song Animate from Counterparts is a perfect example.  Animate is pure commercial product, verse chorus verse with fade out chorus repeatedly. One may like this or hate it but you can't debate the pure commercialism of this switch.  If you love Xanadu or 2112, chances are you want a bit more than verse chorus verse ad nauseam for 3.5 minutes, it stands to reason.

Here's my point:  The new CD seems to be a mix of the old style of writing in a major mode and a continuation
of the modern era minor/dissonant mode.  Track 1 is modern, track 3 is classic RUSH, etc....   So it is a mix.

My point is:  I think you would enjoy parts of Clockwork Angels and not like other parts.  The RUSH fan who loves all their records from RUSH to Snakes & Arrows will go absolutely crazy over this and will be in Heaven with Clockwork Angels.

Just my $.02 after playing Clockwork Angels about 10 times.

Cheers!

DM

good points DM.  this new one at least has some memorable melodies and some major key parts.  as far as the verse chorus stuff goes, one could argue that they've been doing that since Grace Under Pressure.  at least they still had catchy tunes up to Counterparts.  then it was grunge all the way :)  which gave way to Nickleback-esqe stuff in the 00s.  now i could care less.  i love listening to ged's bass, alex's guitar, and neil's drums in any context...having some catching songs or awesome riffs are icing on the cake at this point.  my point, clockwork is great and i have a feeling i'm gonna wear this thing out...something i haven't done in a while :-) 
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Originally posted by Biff Tannen Biff Tannen wrote:

I'd love to hear Steven Wilson mix a Rush album, and he could have made this one sound better, but this is still a good-sounding CD, just not great because it is a bit too hot at times.  Still a pretty great overall record, though.  I literally cannot get enough of it. Cool

OMG, i'd love to hear Swilson mix DT and Rush!!
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