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    Posted: August 02 2011 at 07:07
Beyond and Before: Progressive Rock Since the 1960s
 
 
 
 
Having been told by Amazon to expect delivery into August I was pleasantly surprised to find the book drop on my doormat last Friday. While this is for beach reading during August,  I couldn't resistance a flick through and read of the Introduction.
 
From the academic language used at the opening and variety of references cited, including philosophical and sociological academic sources, as well as Macan, Stump etc., I think I'm in for an intellectual ride with a dictionary by my side. While the little I've read doesn't immediately convey a love or  joy for the music, maybe we'll get that coming through for the authors' favourites (for instance, there is a chapter on jazz rock fusion),. I'll be hoping for a history beyond the social history and something fresh wrt to an understanding and develoment of the music, which has been missing too often from many previous serious texts on the subject. In part that could have been put down to an over-reliance on 2nd and mostly 3rd hand information. (I keep hoping Sid Smith will pull those notes together of interviews he made of people who were there at the beginning for book on the early days). This book suggests that it'll be a tough one to critically review; for instance, I'll be looking out for those academic references and interpretations that create a screen to the text's weaknesses - but I hope this will not be the case.
 
BTW go to Amazon.UK and at the moment you can read the whole book by clicking on the icon copied above - also Amazon are doing a pretty good deal on the book as a softback, at just over 9 quid P&P.


Edited by Dick Heath - August 03 2011 at 08:03
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 07 2011 at 05:07
I was equally surprised to find a softback copy on sale in a bookshop yesterday, and snapped it up.  On initial browsing it looks incredible - it looks like the book I've been waiting for.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 24 2011 at 15:59
I'm dipping in. I was a fan of Hegarty's Noise/Music book a couple of years ago(?) and although I'm not too keen on that whole cultural crit. aspect of music writing, this is knowledgable and interesting to read. I had a big gripe with the interpretation of Kayleigh, but that's not exactly fundamental to his reading of the topic. I just can't let someone tell me that the song is a discussion between two sides of the same psyche--his bird ditched him and he's wondering what about him is sh*t and needs work. Then he has another drink. And i finally got to Tarkus after reading about it here: overdue it might have been, but I couldn't stand it. Sorry, everyone.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2012 at 07:20
Having started this in mid September, I finished it on the 21st December 2011 - an indication that this could be a challenge to others? I note one review published in Jazzwise magazine, wasn't particularly flattering - but then I also found the short chapter on jazz rock somewhat skewed and limited, noting Stuart Nicholson's definitive book on jazz rock was instigated by Jazzwise management.
 
 This book is readable, but I found  the further I went into it , there was a greater need to digest it a couple of pages at a time: hence nearly 3 months to read 300 or so pages. Approximately the first third to half can be absorbed quickly , the rest I found  to be much more hard going - wrt writing style & content: was this where the authors changed seats at the keyboard? With progressive music sub-categories sectioned into chapters, I found the examples of albums used make certain cases, to be selective (and limited) and indeed the over-concentration on musical  or lyrical change which lasted matters of seconds heard on a handful of specific albums, debatable. Nevertheless the authors' words did prompted me to purchase certain albums they listed which I had missed (especially of post-prog category): but then from the basis of their ideas I found only some of this new music (to me) work   and at least one album was some distance from my ideas of prog. My first conclusion: this book is the deepest intellectual book on the subject I've come across, especially wrt  theoretical/philosophical concepts which have been applied here to progressive music .
 
With the authors throwing quite a number of academic sociological and philosophical concepts into the ring,  I have come a way with a second conclusion: 'that's your opinion mate, and I can't agree with it in part or on the whole'. The references are copious although at least one of the obvious prog reference books seems missing (but I've been most critical of that one too) - and to one of a number of minor point: I would have liked to have seen some deeper analysis from a late 00's hindsight, of Macan's mid 90's suggestion that Djam Karet was a good example of (then) modern prog . As a history and review of prog's sub-divisions this is good. But there are weaknesses, e.g.  I believe the early development of progressive music is incomplete; it tackles the prog/punk debate but there is an incompleteness and a few ideas that can be challenged; I don't think the authors have realised that  there was an ironic use of neo wrt neo-prog, originally .  Otherwise there is a fair degree of research gone into this subject, but I'm left with a third conclusion: there is so much more that could be written if not constrained by page length, e.g. some input from the originators of this music through interview.
 
So to an overall conclusion. As a heavy weight,  intellectual challenge as a reference book, probing a broad range of progressive musics in some depth, with a degree of (debatable) academic analysis, this will be for you. It 'll have you disagreeing and (sometimes) wanting  less of the authors' personal judgements and more of many other inputs and insights. If you want  a  lightning history which can  be dashed off as a read  - forget.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 17 2012 at 14:44
Thanks for the insight on the book, I ordered it to the music library I work in a week ago. I'll try and have a go at it when it arrives.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 18 2012 at 05:33
Originally posted by Pekka Pekka wrote:

Thanks for the insight on the book, I ordered it to the music library I work in a week ago. I'll try and have a go at it when it arrives.
 
Typical of me, I've further "polished that review, e.g. with some addtional thought and corrections of English etc. SO you might like a second read.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2012 at 07:34
"Beyond and Before is a wonderful account of both the rich legacy and the ongoing story of progressive rock in all its forms. Hegarty and Halliwell have rescued progressive rock from the condescension of history by crafting a work that is smart, sympathetic. I love this.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 13 2013 at 20:17
I'll try and have a go at it when it arrives.
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