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Posted: April 22 2012 at 13:33

^No penalties for any of the incidents.

Excellent race from Lotus, Kimi pushing Vettel hard was great to see, and amazing job from Di Resta to get 6th after the team skipped second practice. It was also good to see Massa keeping up with Alonso this time. That makes 4 winners from 4 different teams and our 4th different championship leader in as many races (to keep the theme going, thats four 4ths for Mark Webber now). Talk about a crazy championship. I watched the BBC's highlights and they are useless, the miss so much out. I didn't see Grosjean's pass on Webber, or Kimi's on Alonso and it was difficult to follow the pitstop strategies from 5th down, something I've never had trouble with, even in the "confusing" races early last year.

3 weeks until Barcelona, with the 4 day test at Mugello in Italy inbetween. This is where we'll see the major updates from all of the teams, and whether Ferrari can get more pace out of their car.

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Posted: April 22 2012 at 14:48

Wow, congrats to Lotus.
Story of the race certainly, and this year gets nuttier still.
4 winners from 4 constructors as well. Total madness.

Cool to see Schumi grab a point from 22nd place.

Edit: Ya know Webber may not be in a bad spot. If this up and down season continues...and he keeps finishing 4th he may end up winning the title through consistency LOL

Edited by JJLehto - April 22 2012 at 15:17

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Posted: April 22 2012 at 18:35

Somehow Vettel is leading the championship. Hmm. Hopefully it won't last.

Yeah, I saw half of the highlights earlier. No penalties indeed. Alonso was not best pleased with Rosberg.

The 2 stop did work for Di Resta but his tires were degrading at the end so he was lucky Alonso didn't take 6th. Button's unfortunate broken exhaust saved him a position too.

Odd how both Button and Rosberg had broken exhausts though. Was that due to the heat?

And yeah, I listened to the race on the radio (but kept falling asleep) and from what I saw of the highlights, they did miss a lot out. Was the race really that boring?

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Posted: April 22 2012 at 19:10

Somehow?
Man you're hate has blinded you, pretty easy to see why...he's done the best thus far LOL

Well...Webber has had a better start in terms of consistency but Vettel has a win and podium.

Eventually things will have to start settling.
Or not. 10 race winners this year???

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Posted: April 22 2012 at 19:30

JJLehto wrote:

Somehow?
Man you're hate has blinded you, pretty easy to see why...he's done the best thus far LOL

Well...Webber has had a better start in terms of consistency but Vettel has a win and podium.

Eventually things will have to start settling.
Or not. 10 race winners this year???

I can see what James means on this one. Its the first time since Australia that Vettel has outperformed Webber and over the four races McLaren has had the best car on balance. Either way its damned close with Alonso only 10 point soff the lead in that dog of a car.

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Posted: April 22 2012 at 19:34

Indeed, but you recall me griping about the more podium and win skewed points system...this is why LOL

You're right he's not been the best overall thus far but that's how the points work now. Not really griping just it is what it is.

At least things have been more balanced...with lots of people winning it's exciting, if not we get a 2011 where 300 point leads can be easily racked up!

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Posted: April 22 2012 at 20:11

I just hope he doesn't win it by 1 point and only win the one race all season. That's unlikely to happen though. He deserved it last year.

Updates coming for Barcelona, as Andy says, so it'll be interesting to see how things are.

I know Ricciardo got hit by Kovaleinen at the start and that's how he ended up so far back but he must have had an awful start to hit him in the first place as he started in 6th. I didn't see any other incident before that.

Grosjean is damned good by the way. I know he's in a pretty good car but he's competitive in it. He'll get other podium places this season.

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Posted: April 23 2012 at 05:09

Ricciardo hit Kovalainen you mean. Considering he started 6th, that was a terrible start, even by the standards of everybody else that started on the dirty side of the track. The overhead shot of the replay was interesting, everybody that started on the left rocketed away whilst everybody on the right lost places, except for Massa who was off like a shot.

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Posted: April 23 2012 at 05:39

Yeah, my apologies, he did indeed hit Kovalainen. It was difficult to see how the back markers started.

That track was indeed quite dusty.

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Posted: May 11 2012 at 07:49

Spain this weekend. We had the test at Mugello last week, and though most drivers loved the circuite, everybody was in agreement that it was largely a complete waste of time sinc eit has little in common with most F1 tracks, being more in the Spa vein rather than Tilke dromes. First Practice times:

Pos  Driver                Team                   Time               Laps
 1.  Fernando Alonso       Ferrari                1m24.430             20
 2.  Sebastian Vettel      Red Bull-Renault       1m24.808s  + 0.378   18
 3.  Kamui Kobayashi       Sauber-Ferrari         1m24.912s  + 0.482   28
 4.  Jenson Button         McLaren-Mercedes       1m24.996s  + 0.566   24
 5.  Valtteri Bottas       Williams-Renault       1m25.120s  + 0.690   24
 6.  Michael Schumacher    Mercedes               1m25.187s  + 0.757   15
 7.  Romain Grosjean       Lotus-Renault          1m25.217s  + 0.787   16
 8.  Lewis Hamilton        McLaren-Mercedes       1m25.252s  + 0.822   20
 9.  Kimi Raikkonen        Lotus-Renault          1m25.285s  + 0.855   29
10.  Nico Hulkenberg       Force India-Mercedes   1m25.339s  + 0.909   24
11.  Jean-Eric Vergne      Toro Rosso-Ferrari     1m25.367s  + 0.937   22
12.  Felipe Massa          Ferrari                1m25.433s  + 1.003   21
13.  Mark Webber           Red Bull-Renault       1m25.539s  + 1.109   23
14.  Nico Rosberg          Mercedes               1m25.607s  + 1.177   20
15.  Sergio Perez          Sauber-Ferrari         1m25.918s  + 1.488   19
16.  Daniel Ricciardo      Toro Rosso-Ferrari     1m26.226s  + 1.796   24
17.  Pastor Maldonado      Williams-Renault       1m26.297s  + 1.867   18
18.  Jules Bianchi         Force India-Mercedes   1m26.630s  + 2.200   21
19.  Vitaly Petrov         Caterham-Renault       1m27.475s  + 3.045   20
20.  Timo Glock            Marussia-Cosworth      1m28.267s  + 3.837   21
21.  Alexander Rossi       Caterham-Renault       1m28.448s  + 4.018   25
22.  Charles Pic           Marussia-Cosworth      1m28.633s  + 4.203   22
23.  Pedro de la Rosa      HRT-Cosworth           1m29.107s  + 4.677   19
24.  Dani Clos             HRT-Cosworth           1m31.618s  + 7.188   19

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Posted: May 11 2012 at 08:28

Finally!
These gaps kill me every time.

Really not a fan of this track (nor do I think any country needs 2 Angry

) but everything is better with the DRS and KERS.
Still it's F1 time :D

I don't look too much into practice already, and you say this one was pretty much a waste soo LOL

Is this the race with the new Ferrari?

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Posted: May 11 2012 at 09:43

Pretty dull track, and from next year on Spain will only have one race as Barcelona and Valencia will alternate.

The test last week was a waste of time, practice is usually just for finalising set ups. Mark Webber has suggested that a lot of the top drivers will sit out tomorrows FP3 to save tyres for the race, but here's the FP2 times.

Pos  Driver                Team                  Time               Laps
 1.  Jenson Button         McLaren-Mercedes      1m23.399            38
 2.  Sebastian Vettel      Red Bull-Renault      1m23.563s  + 0.164  38
 3.  Nico Rosberg          Mercedes              1m23.771s  + 0.372  41
 4.  Lewis Hamilton        McLaren-Mercedes      1m23.909s  + 0.510  32
 5.  Kimi Raikkonen        Lotus-Renault         1m23.918s  + 0.519  32
 6.  Romain Grosjean       Lotus-Renault         1m23.964s  + 0.565  37
 7.  Mark Webber           Red Bull-Renault      1m24.065s  + 0.666  34
 8.  Michael Schumacher    Mercedes              1m24.080s  + 0.681  36
 9.  Kamui Kobayashi       Sauber-Ferrari        1m24.214s  + 0.815  41
10.  Nico Hulkenberg       Force India-Mercedes  1m24.365s  + 0.966  22
11.  Felipe Massa          Ferrari               1m24.418s  + 1.019  35
12.  Sergio Perez          Sauber-Ferrari        1m24.422s  + 1.023  32
13.  Pastor Maldonado      Williams-Renault      1m24.468s  + 1.069  40
14.  Fernando Alonso       Ferrari               1m24.600s  + 1.201  33
15.  Paul di Resta         Force India-Mercedes  1m24.688s  + 1.289  30
16.  Jean-Eric Vergne      Toro Rosso-Ferrari    1m24.733s  + 1.334  34
17.  Daniel Ricciardo      Toro Rosso-Ferrari    1m24.769s  + 1.370  37
18.  Bruno Senna           Williams-Renault      1m25.047s  + 1.648  42
19.  Heikki Kovalainen     Caterham-Renault      1m26.296s  + 2.897  36
20.  Vitaly Petrov         Caterham-Renault      1m26.740s  + 3.341  35
21.  Timo Glock            Marussia-Cosworth     1m27.314s  + 3.915  27
22.  Charles Pic           Marussia-Cosworth     1m27.664s  + 4.265  30
23.  Pedro de la Rosa      HRT-Cosworth          1m28.235s  + 4.836  26
24.  Narain Karthikeyan    HRT-Cosworth          no time              2

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Posted: May 11 2012 at 10:56

VERY dull track, and that's good to know. Though shame they will still go here at all lol

Was this when you said the new Ferrari is debuting?
Will be nice to see a, hopefully, improved Ferrari. Even though James will come up with another 12 coo coo reasons for why it is cheating and evil :P

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Posted: May 11 2012 at 12:32

They've brought a number of new parts but the massive redesign that was expected hasn't happened. They'll be closer than they were but don't expect them to be front runners again. I was reading this weeks Autosport, they're suggesting that it might actually take a couple of years for Ferrari to ge tback to being the pace setters since they're some way behind the likes of Lotus, McLaren and Red Bull when it comes to simulation technology and it can take a while to sort out those kind of facilities.

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Posted: May 11 2012 at 12:45

Oh dear...yeah I'm not expecting much then, except for rain races and maybe the street circuits.
A few years eh? Goodness. Crazy how fast you can fall off the pace...not too long ago Ferrari and Fernando were a stones throw away from a championship.

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Posted: May 12 2012 at 08:10

Damn, Alonso was on pole for 2 seconds LOL

Helluva qualifying from Maldonado. Williams has stepped up a bit this year.

Speaking of which: McLaren, Williams, Ferrari top 3. It's almost like the old days of sanity are back LOL

Pos.	No.	Driver	Constructor	Part 1	Part 2	Part 3	Grid
1	4	Lewis Hamilton	McLaren-Mercedes	1:22.583	1:22.465	1:21.707	1
2	18	Pastor Maldonado	Williams-Renault	1:23.380	1:22.105	1:22.285	2
3	5	Fernando Alonso	Ferrari	1:23.276	1:22.862	1:22.302	3
4	10	Romain Grosjean	Lotus-Renault	1:23.248	1:22.667	1:22.424	4
5	9	Kimi Räikkönen	Lotus-Renault	1:23.406	1:22.856	1:22.487	5
6	15	Sergio Pérez	Sauber-Ferrari	1:24.261	1:22.773	1:22.533	6
7	8	Nico Rosberg	Mercedes	1:23.370	1:22.882	1:23.005	7
8	1	Sebastian Vettel	Red Bull-Renault	1:23.850	1:22.884	no time	8
9	7	Michael Schumacher	Mercedes	1:23.757	1:22.904	no time	9
10	14	Kamui Kobayashi	Sauber-Ferrari	1:23.386	1:22.897	no time	10
11	3	Jenson Button	McLaren-Mercedes	1:23.510	1:22.944		11
12	2	Mark Webber	Red Bull-Renault	1:23.592	1:22.977		12
13	11	Paul di Resta	Force India-Mercedes	1:23.852	1:23.125		13
14	12	Nico Hülkenberg	Force India-Mercedes	1:23.720	1:23.177		14
15	17	Jean-Éric Vergne	Toro Rosso-Ferrari	1:24.362	1:23.265		15
16	16	Daniel Ricciardo	Toro Rosso-Ferrari	1:23.906	1:23.442		16
17	6	Felipe Massa	Ferrari	1:23.886	1:23.444		17
18	19	Bruno Senna	Williams-Renault	1:24.981			18
19	21	Vitaly Petrov	Caterham-Renault	1:25.277			19
20	20	Heikki Kovalainen	Caterham-Renault	1:25.507			20
21	25	Charles Pic	Marussia-Cosworth	1:26.582			21
22	24	Timo Glock	Marussia-Cosworth	1:27.032			22
23	22	Pedro de la Rosa	HRT-Cosworth	1:27.555			23
107% time: 1:28.363
24	23	Narain Karthikeyan	HRT-Cosworth	1:31.122			24

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Posted: May 12 2012 at 13:52

Major development, Hamilton has been striped of pole. The rules state that a car must have a sufficent amount of fule on board to complete the in lap and provide a sample for inspection, but apparently the guy fueling up his car was accidently pressing the 'drain' lever for a few second before realising his mistake and switching to 'pump' but the car was underfuled. A silly mistake which means Hamilton will start last and Maldonado will start from his first ever pole position (and has said that he's targeting the win to boot now) with Alonso second and an all Lotus second row. It's a shame because Hamilton looked to be miles ahead of everybody today but I guess he'll provide an interesting race now.

I've got a good feeling that we'll see Raikkonen on the top step tomorrow.

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Posted: May 12 2012 at 15:02

sleeper wrote:

Pretty dull track, and from next year on Spain will only have one race as Barcelona and Valencia will alternate.

Good news slightly. I like Valencia a good bit, so I wish it was the only one...but if it means less Barcelona all the better.

So where is the Europe gp going to be held now?

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Posted: May 12 2012 at 15:04

sleeper wrote:

Major development, Hamilton has been striped of pole. The rules state that a car must have a sufficent amount of fule on board to complete the in lap and provide a sample for inspection, but apparently the guy fueling up his car was accidently pressing the 'drain' lever for a few second before realising his mistake and switching to 'pump' but the car was underfuled. A silly mistake which means Hamilton will start last and Maldonado will start from his first ever pole position (and has said that he's targeting the win to boot now) with Alonso second and an all Lotus second row. It's a shame because Hamilton looked to be miles ahead of everybody today but I guess he'll provide an interesting race now.

I've got a good feeling that we'll see Raikkonen on the top step tomorrow.

Damn...thats crazy bitches. Someone will be fired shortly I imagine. If only it wasnt Moldy on top (as I only root for him to lose). Go go go anyone else at the top. Preferrably Kimi.

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Posted: May 12 2012 at 16:53

Man With Hat wrote:

sleeper wrote:

Pretty dull track, and from next year on Spain will only have one race as Barcelona and Valencia will alternate.

Good news slightly. I like Valencia a good bit, so I wish it was the only one...but if it means less Barcelona all the better.

So where is the Europe gp going to be held now?

Probably wont be one, they'll just keep it to Spain, Monaco, Britain, France/Belgium (set to alternate), Germany, Hungary and Italy in Europe for the future I think.

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