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Ivan_Melgar_M 
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 Posted: April 18 2012 at 23:38 |
 Textbook wrote:
Ivan: *sigh* Ivan, when exactly did I give you the impression that I thought 30 million Peruvians were listening to me? This is an exchange of ideas on the internet. The existence of places where some of these views are not widely held is not an objection to those views. I'm sure this won't be taken well but I mean it as advice: you really do sulk a lot and it doesn't help your self-expression. |
You are so self centered that you believe your perception of the world has to be universal, you criticize us for believing in our institutions and about the historical background that lead to them.
You hate institutions that you believe are dangerous, well, that's simply intolerance and egomania.
Iván
BTW: I may have problems expressing myself in a foreign language, but I don't have problems thinking.
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - April 18 2012 at 23:41
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Textbook
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Posted: April 18 2012 at 23:43 |
You hate Al Qaeda, I assume, because it's an institution you believe is dangerous? WELL THAT'S SIMPLY INTOLERANCE AND EGOMANIA. Please try harder.
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NotAProghead
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Posted: April 18 2012 at 23:51 |
I guess the thread "Your thoughts on human rights", if it existed, would be less popular. 
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Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why... (D. Gilmour)
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The T
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Posted: April 19 2012 at 00:01 |
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Ivan, 30 million people haven't agreed on what marriage is in your country. A few people that say that represent those 30 million have. And no, I'm not trying to make this into an argument because in the end I agree with some of what you have said in the last posts but I needed to say this. Because if that would be true, if what congress says and laws say are really what all people in a country say, my country of origin, for example, would be full of anti-freedom idiots, and I know that's not the case, but the few who control everything are like that.
Anyway, Al Qaeda is not an institution.
And I hate it anyway.
I don't believe all cultures have the same value.
I should shut up.
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Ivan_Melgar_M
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Posted: April 19 2012 at 00:32 |
The T wrote:
Ivan, 30 million people haven't agreed on what marriage is in your country.
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When this issue was going to be discussed in the Congress, there was National poll in charge of CPI, the results were:
- 71.5% against
- 21% in favor
- 7.5% don't answer
So you are right T not the 32'000,000, but 21'450,000 are against.
Lately, when transcendental issues are being discussed, we make national polls or plesbicitums.
The T wrote:
A few people that say that represent those 30 million have. And no, I'm not trying to make this into an argument because in the end I agree with some of what you have said in the last posts but I needed to say this. Because if that would be true, if what congress says and laws say are really what all people in a country say, my country of origin, for example, would be full of anti-freedom idiots, and I know that's not the case, but the few who control everything are like that. |
T, lets be honest, Ecuador's government is a constitutional tyranny, because nobody voted for Correa to have almost unlimited powers and to go against freedom of expression.
I didn't voted for Humala in Perú, but I can't deny it's a democratic government.
Now, about hating.
When Shinning Path started to attack us, the Government reacted with hate, that was stupid, they grew to reach several thousands, when we left hatred behind and acted rationally, things were better and they are almost extinct.
Hatred clouds your vision.
Iván
Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - April 19 2012 at 00:42
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Jim Garten
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Posted: April 19 2012 at 02:39 |
Guys - take it to PM. 
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Jon Lord 1941 - 2012
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: April 19 2012 at 03:45 |
A PM between 4 people?  David, what word do you suggest we use instead of Homophobia? I agree with Textbook on all this by the way but I'm going to stay out of that conversation.
Edited by VanderGraafKommandöh - April 19 2012 at 03:51
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Atavachron
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Posted: April 19 2012 at 04:13 |
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Splunge ?
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Alitare
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Posted: April 19 2012 at 06:40 |
I was speaking with God the other day. This is what he told me.
All religions are intrinsically wrong. All religious humans are innately inferior to all atheists, and their feelings are less important. Every Christian, Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, Sikh, Taoist, and religious believer is a subhuman fool deserving of only derision and spite. These broken individuals do not deserve to be loved by anyone. They do nothing but destroy the world. Every Christian person is devoid of humanity and not deserving of happiness (including my mother). They are all fractured people that don't deserve the right to breathe. We should take 'em all out back and shoot 'em. The world would be a better place without feelings, emotions, beliefs, and candy bars.
Interestingly enough, God listens to a lot of Slayer.
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Jim Garten
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Posted: April 19 2012 at 06:50 |
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Any chance of getting this debate back on topic, or should I just close the thread?
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Jon Lord 1941 - 2012
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Alitare
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Posted: April 19 2012 at 06:55 |
Dammit, Jim, I'm a doctor, not a miracle worker.
Close it up. Close it up hard and never look back, but you know that if you vanquish this thread, two more will rise up in its place (or this may have already happened. Textbook's threads are multiplying like arrogant, pseudo-philosophical rabbits).
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Textbook
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Posted: April 19 2012 at 06:59 |
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I'm thinking locking threads on gay rights isn't the image this place wants.
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Jim Garten
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Posted: April 19 2012 at 07:07 |
Textbook wrote:
I'm thinking locking threads on gay rights isn't the image this place wants. |
No problem whatsoever with a topic such as the discussion of gay rights; so long as it remains on-topic, observes PA rules/guidelines & is free of irrelevant arguments.
Now...
Back on topic please: Gay Rights... discuss
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Jon Lord 1941 - 2012
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Textbook
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Posted: April 19 2012 at 07:13 |
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I think we're done actually. But leave it open in case we're not.
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catfood03
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Posted: April 19 2012 at 07:16 |
Jim Garten wrote:
Any chance of getting this debate back on topic, or should I just close the thread? |
Gays are cool. Thread fixed.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: April 19 2012 at 07:35 |
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It's been too long since a political thread has been locked.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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CCVP
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Posted: April 19 2012 at 17:45 |
catfood03 wrote:
Jim Garten wrote:
Any chance of getting this debate back on topic, or should I just close the thread? |
Gays are cool.
Thread fixed.
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NO U >:C
yaaaaaaaay, we're back on the rails. :3
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Tony R
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Posted: April 20 2012 at 12:40 |
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It wouldn't be locked because of the subject matter but because of the quality (or lack thereof) of the debate.
It's not about free speech, it's about respect and the forum rules and guidelines about conduct.
Or I could remove Textbook and Iván from the debate...but if I do that I should also issue a warning, which I am actually loathe to do.
Keep it non-personal and civil and the thread will remain open.
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smartpatrol
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Posted: April 22 2012 at 01:24 |
I don't think anyone else's sex life and sexuality is my bisness
But I do also think that it should NOT be the goverment's job to say who may get married or not.
Edited by smartpatrol - April 22 2012 at 01:58
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tamijo
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Posted: April 22 2012 at 02:10 |
Sean Trane wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
I don't agree with gay marriage but that's about it. |
I don't even have that problem, if they want to wed civilly (is that a word) at the town hall, fine with me...
my only slight reserve would be the adoption rights (obviously lesbians are not concerned by adoption), it is about the kid's chances to actually grow and live his own sexuality he feels right for him: would he find it normal to be heterosexual if he had two men as parents (the issue does intervene as well, if he has two women as parents) |
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If the child rights was the issue, it would be hard for anybody to have children.
Would the kid be allright if his/her father was killed in war (soldiers should not have kids ?)
Would the child be allright if his/her mother was a fat, slow moving 300 pounder (fat people should not have kids ?)
Would the kid be allright if his/her mother/father was ugly
....was in a wheelchair
...was alcoholic.
..have been to jail
..dosent speak english well
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This is the worst kind of "state control" thinking you can get into, where you use the child right to hit every kind of "un-normality", in a very nazi like manner. If you are against "gay marriage" either admit to homofobia, or religious reasoning, anything else it sick.
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