Your thoughts on gay rights?

Finding religion to be a wholesale bad thing discredits atheism I believe.

Equality: I'm writing posts on the internet, not presenting a thesis. Obviously I distinguish between Islam and Jainism for example. In general, I am opposed to religion. I do not think EVERY RELIGIOUS THING EVER IS TERRIBLE, but I'm not going to go through ennumerating everything good and everything bad and no one wants me to do that anyway because all it will be is my own subjective imperfect judgments based on what information I've been exposed to.Epignosis: Alright so you feel that "your religion" is a good thing and I have the wrong information about it. And also, words mean whatever popular usage thinks they do.

Edited by Textbook - April 18 2012 at 20:58

Textbook wrote: Epignosis: Alright so you feel that "your religion" is a good thing and I have the wrong information about it. And also, words mean whatever popular usage thinks they do.

Popular usage does not have the ability of cogitation.

If popularity decided what we should do, then you sir, are a theist.  Welcome brother.

CCVP wrote: Epignosis wrote: Textbook wrote: Epig: Note that I have never claimed to be tolerant. I'm not a tolerant person. I am intolerant of religion. But homosexuals don't mess up the world the way religion does.   Tolerance is a pretty stupid concept actually. What it means is that you allow something you think is harmful to continue unchallenged. This is actually terrible behaviour. If it's not actually harmful, then what are you tolerating? Exactly. You have to believe it's a bad thing in order to tolerate it, but if it's really a bad thing, you should be acting against it. So tolerance = bs.   Wait a second, did I just give license to homophobes to persecute homosexuals? Almost, except the problem with homophobes is that their belief that homosexuality is harmful is false, based on bad information and misconceptions. See also racists, sexists, theists, etc.   How do I prove that their information is false and mine is correct? Well, I don't. All I can tell you is that that's the conclusion I've come to based on my experience in the world. I could be wrong but I have no reason as yet to suppose I am so until that changes, these are the beliefs I'm hold. So are you theophobic? That's called atheism/anti-Christianity.

No, that describes someone who fears a god or gods.

Theos = god

phobos = fear

Textbook wrote: Equality: I'm writing posts on the internet, not presenting a thesis. Obviously I distinguish between Islam and Jainism for example. In general, I am opposed to religion. I do not think EVERY RELIGIOUS THING EVER IS TERRIBLE, but I'm not going to go through ennumerating everything good and everything bad and no one wants me to do that anyway because all it will be is my own subjective imperfect judgments based on what information I've been exposed to.

I think it's more useful to focus on specific aspects of some religions you find distasteful than to make blanket statements. It's just my personal opinion.

Epig: The word homophobe is used in current society to mean someone who dislikes gay people. That is a fact and that is the end of the conversation. I am fully aware of what homo and phobe mean, being part of any "my first Greek root words" kit. But as I said to Ivan when he tried to tell us about the etymology of matrimony, I don't really give a rat's ass. The usage of words changes over time, have a look at "awful". I don't think you really are this silly but your little attempt to get one over on me is making you look a bit of a fool in my opinion, which is uncharacteristic of you (and I don't say that about many theists.)

You have bored me, congratulations.

Epignosis wrote: CCVP wrote: Epignosis wrote: Textbook wrote: Epig: Note that I have never claimed to be tolerant. I'm not a tolerant person. I am intolerant of religion. But homosexuals don't mess up the world the way religion does.   Tolerance is a pretty stupid concept actually. What it means is that you allow something you think is harmful to continue unchallenged. This is actually terrible behaviour. If it's not actually harmful, then what are you tolerating? Exactly. You have to believe it's a bad thing in order to tolerate it, but if it's really a bad thing, you should be acting against it. So tolerance = bs.   Wait a second, did I just give license to homophobes to persecute homosexuals? Almost, except the problem with homophobes is that their belief that homosexuality is harmful is false, based on bad information and misconceptions. See also racists, sexists, theists, etc.   How do I prove that their information is false and mine is correct? Well, I don't. All I can tell you is that that's the conclusion I've come to based on my experience in the world. I could be wrong but I have no reason as yet to suppose I am so until that changes, these are the beliefs I'm hold. So are you theophobic? That's called atheism/anti-Christianity. No, that describes someone who fears a god or gods. Theos = god phobos = fear

CCVP: "Western atheism is merely anti-christianity." Absolute bullsh*t. Atheists are incredibly concerned with Islam and leading atheist Sam Harris has come under fire for giving Buddhism/Jainism a pass for being "nice" when they have their own problems like everything else. There has also been a rise in coverage of the Judaist extremists, the haredim, lately and they are a very disturbing bunch.

Edited by Textbook - April 18 2012 at 22:55

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: the 30 millions of Peruvians give a rat's ass about what Textbook thinks.

I lol'd

sup, Peru?