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Posted: April 16 2012 at 19:06
MillsLayne wrote:
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Some of my favorite albums/bands:
Caravan - In The Land Of Grey And Pink
Soft Machine - Vol.1 - Seven
Gong - Camembert Electrique and the whole Radio Gnome Trilogy
Robert Wyatt - Rock Bottom
Well if you haven't already, you must hear both Hatfield & The North albums as well as the first two National Health albums and Egg's The Polite Force. It's mandatory, dammit!
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Posted: April 16 2012 at 19:19
All three of Egg's albums are great. I never really got big into Hatfield, but they are not bad. Nation Health's debut is fantastic, I've only heard the second one once but didn't dig it as much
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Posted: April 16 2012 at 20:18
Given your starting point I'd highly recommend the following bolded albums
Olivier! wrote:
70s
Hatfield and the North (2) and National Health (3 or Complete)...
Bruford (3), egg (3), Pierre Moerlen's Gong (4) Matching Moles (2), Gilgamesh (2), Gowen-Miller-Sinclair-Tomkins (1), Moving Gelatine Plate (2), the first Henry Cow (Leg-End), Piccio Dal Pozzo (3), The muffins (Mana and Chrono)... Kenso (2,3,sparta,dreamhill), Ain Soph (hat and field, Marine, Mysterious forest) and Mr Sirius (2) from Japan... Pazop, Panthéon, John Greaves (kew rhone). And don't forget to buy Soft Machine - Bundles too.
"NewSchool" bands :
Antique Seeking Nuns, Volaré, Moom, Bandhada, Amoeba Split, SIXNORTH, A Triggering Myth (2 last), French TV (3 first), Radio Piece III, Tipographica,
And there is a ton of fusion groups/albums that could have some similar lining like Tasavalan Presidenti, Pekka Pohjola, Uzva, Samurai, Granada, Maneige, Bubu, Kultivator (zeuhlish), Jacques Tollot (cinq hop = zeuhlish), Potemkin (Nicolas 2 = zeuhlish), Abus Dangereux (4ième Mouvement = Zeuhlish), Mahogany Frog
It's pretty much essential to get the Hatfield, National Health, Matching Mole & Gilgamesh.
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Posted: April 17 2012 at 03:54
Triceratopsoil wrote:
All three of Egg's albums are great. I never really got big into Hatfield, but they are not bad. Nation Health's debut is fantastic, I've only heard the second one once but didn't dig it as much
I agree on everything you said. I had the exact same "relation" with National Health's second album. I even rated it as a 2-star album for a while, but it really grows on you. Now I prefer it to the debut with a giant margin. But both are without any doubt 5-star albums for me.
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Posted: April 17 2012 at 11:11
Hi,
I was actually thinking of Carla Bley and some of the other jazz folks that also show up all over the place.
It's been said that Nick Mason's album "Fictitious Sports" (probably the ONLY true Canterbury PF solo album EVER done!) is more of a Carla Bley album than it is anything else. It is also an album that Robert Wyatt runs a muck on it and it is a lot of fun, but not something that most PF fans (specially the DSOTM and WALL fans) will usually enjoy! This is fun for the sake of fun, not pointed music, although thinking that you are a mineralist might get you going ... hmmm ... wonder what kind of dope that is?
Consider following/checking the Sinclairs and the Millers that were in Caravan and then some ... it's the most incestupus family you ever saw, and makes me wonder if they are into music at all!
NP: Caravan of Dreams - Richard Sinclair
Edited by moshkito - April 17 2012 at 11:12
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I was actually thinking of Carla Bley and some of the other jazz folks that also show up all over the place.
It's been said that Nick Mason's album "Fictitious Sports" (probably the ONLY true Canterbury PF solo album EVER done!) is more of a Carla Bley album than it is anything else. It is also an album that Robert Wyatt runs a muck on it and it is a lot of fun, but not something that most PF fans (specially the DSOTM and WALL fans) will usually enjoy! This is fun for the sake of fun, not pointed music, although thinking that you are a mineralist might get you going ... hmmm ... wonder what kind of dope that is?
Consider following/checking the Sinclairs and the Millers that were in Caravan and then some ... it's the most incestupus family you ever saw, and makes me wonder if they are into music at all!
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Posted: April 17 2012 at 16:13
Nice!!!
I'm writing Mason "Fictitious sports" on my wishlist... I don't feel the canterbury touch I'm usually seeking in a canterbury album though... but it sounds like a crazy album with many interesting influences including the Floyds, RIO and some canterbury with Wyatt vocal.
This is exactly what I was expecting while signing on PA forum... to discover new fusion and avant albums similar to zeuhl and canterbury.
Listed here on PA under psych, Hiro Yanagida made one fusion album with 1 and a half foot in the Canterbury lands called Hirocosmos. Highly recommended
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Posted: April 19 2012 at 15:29
Olivier! wrote:
...
This is exactly what I was expecting while signing on PA forum... to discover new fusion and avant albums similar to zeuhl and canterbury.
While I can get behind National Health and some of the better known things, there are a lot of them that are not as well known that are much more interesting ... when listening to Richard Sinclair's Caravan of Dreams, the first thing that stands out is ... ok ... it has its pop'y moments ... wait ... what's that? ... oh my gawd ... is he mumbling through a water pipe? ... and for me, it is what "Canterbury" really was about ... a lot of fun and different things, and not a style ... it was about the person or the music itself, and the names were invisible.
It's hard for me to sit here and appreciate the "canterbury" scene, in the way that folks are mentioning it ... when in the end, you will find ... good gawd ... where do I start defining this stuff? ... because it is way too different from album to album ... even though you might think ... that's a bit jazzy here ... but when you get over there and you have Lol Coxhill ... that's jazz'y ... but what is it ... and you go crazy defining it.
Canterbury, is more of an "enjoyment" than it is a "style" ... and for more appreciation of it, I would recommend listening to it for enjoyment and a different experience. If you are looking for a lable, I can tell you that none of these people enjoy lables and many of them are all over the place in terms of what and where they play!
Lastly ... so many of these folks are majors and professors in music ... it's not funny ... so yeah ... at times it is expected that the musical knowledge and playing and ability in this stuff is way further up the studious lather than otherwise!
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Posted: April 19 2012 at 16:37
I'm loving Quiet Sun's Mainstream. So happy I happened upon a review of it to get my attention because that is an awesome album. And I'm like that Hiro Yanagida song above. Still have a long way to go to get through all of these!
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Posted: April 19 2012 at 18:17
I'm agreeing with a lot of what Moshkito said.
There is this label called Canterbury for a bunch of bands and albums coming from this place and some guys somewhere else on the planet trying to do something similar. The human like to label things. That helps to search and find what you enjoy.
This genre is really wide, like previously said in someone else post, you could have mindblowing stuff, complexe mainly avant or 90%jazz music under the same umbrella.
My feelings about that kind of music and why I stick to it is because its this happ and /humoristic jazzy prog rock with nothing pretentious that can be played on a sunny sunday morning... drinking a tea...
And this is what I'm searching. Under the canterbury label or not.
The PA gives a few bands name and albums who label their music (or other has labeled for them) as Canterbury. You can easily pass in a few years (for me) through all the names under this umbrella and be really exited everytime someone find a new band or album suiting the "definition"... but this is not all. There is a ton of other albums that I find under other umbrellas (fusion, symphonic, avant/RIO...) that have similar sounds that bring my feelings back... but everytime I find a new one it was a chance... I wasn't expecting to hear some canterbury influences.
In the mean time, those other genres are so wide and have so many bands that I cannot find every albums that suite my taste in music with canterbury influences. This is why I think a thread like this could help me and other to find some other bands and albums not listed into Canterbury that have similar lining or are influenced of.
Bandhada – s/t, Open Cage (not listed in PA : really laidback fusion, easy listening, a tad lush)
Radio Piece
III - The Lost Puzzle aka “Tomato Pie Blues”, Tesseract & Monuments (Not listed in PA : Egg with 80s keyboard, complex
but laidback, excellent)
Combo FH –
Vëci (Things) (Listed under RIO/Avant : Canterbury meets RIO, with some interesting/weird percussions)
French TV - 3 firsts albums (listed under RIO/avant)
Granada -
Espana Ano 75 (Listed under symphonic : Spanish symphonic with folkloric element and a jazzy edge that
makes everything sounding a tad like Canterbury)
Maneige - Ni vent ni nouvelle (Listed under jazzrock/fusion, great RPQ band with a jazzy touch reminding me the canterbury scene)
SIXNORTH – Prayer
(listed under jazzrock/fusion : early 2000s Japanese new school band with many vets influences, sounds similar to HatN)
Tasavalan
Presidenti - Lambert Land (listed under jazzrock/fusion : Finish really colorful Canterbury-ish fusion album
with vocal)
Uzva – Niitoaika, Uoma
(listed under jazzrock/fusion : Finish New school instrumental fusion band, similar to Tasavalan Presidenti
“Lambert Land”, got the jazzy colorful element of Canterbury with some world
influences)
Quantum -
Quantum (Brazil, 1983) (Listed under symphonic but the feeling I have listening to this
album reminds me some Canterbury albums)
Samurai –
Samurai (truly a nice cross-over with fusion and the Canterbury humor, this
album got his own taste, sounds a tad vintage though)
Tipographica
– God say I can’t dance (Listed under RIO/avant : crazy Japanese 90s band, really complex, similar to
Henry Cow “leg ends” even more complex... not an easy listening. They have done
4 albums but this is actually the only one available)
Chance:RIsiko
– Sleep Talking (Listed under CrossOver : recent crossover band with a lot of Canterbury influences with
Rhodes and vibraphones, a tad dark but the album is a nice complete
masterpiece)
and I could go on and on... this is where I need help from PA senior forum members. ;3
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Posted: April 20 2012 at 07:49
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I see Canterbury as more of a spirit, an attitude, than a style per se.
I've always thought it was so ... and the quintessential piece was always the ABC piece by Soft Machine, and WHEN it was done and WHERE ... because at the time, I really think it was a bit of a college group, pretty much sending a finger to everyone around them that were not listening and didn't give a damn about the music ... the ABC's got the attention, and you could say that the rest is ... Canterbury!
But there are other links here as well ... there is a lot of Syd Barrett in Canterbury ... ohhh heck, him and all these other folks were living together! ... ohh wait ... there is a lot of Canterbury in Syd Barrett ... that doesn't sound right. Oh heck, there's a lot of Kevin Ayers in Canterbury ... oh wait ... those folks also played ... oh my gawd ... you're kidding me ... and it doesn't stop. That guy was in Camel? ... he doesn't play that stuff! ... he what? ...
It ends up bringing up a completely different appreciation for music and you learn quickly that they just play everything with anyone and everyone, and the only person that didn't show up was ... oh well, we'll use him instead!
Edited by moshkito - April 20 2012 at 07:50
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Posted: April 20 2012 at 11:34
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I'm starting to get more how you are seeing the canterbury scene...
For you, Canterbury is more than a specific genre where you hear this or that type of happy jazzy music. Its a musicians family that has lived something together in a particular atmosphere back in many years. That leads you, to see some albums as Canterbury albums that I considere more like folk/pop or something else (Syd Barrett, Kevin Ayers and Caravan of dream) and in the other way, jazzy happy prog music that I feel like Canterbury stuff but don't come from that specific time and place, you are seeing it like fusion or something else... I'm I right ?
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Posted: April 20 2012 at 13:36
I can't help with recommendations, as I'm just as unfamiliar with the scene; I'm a Canterbury noob. I only have Soft Machine's Third and Fourth, and Ive heard various things from many of the Shred guys.I also have all of The Tangent albums; many of their songs are highly influenced by the Canterbury scene.
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