Your thoughts on gay rights?

Poligamy should be allowed too.

Epignosis wrote: Easy Livin wrote: Also, references to "The government" mean nothing in an international site such as this. Which spcific "government" is being referred to, or is it all governments? The only reason this thread even exists is because many governments interfere with people's ability to freely make contracts amongst themselves.

Libertarian Roy (He Isn't Dead): Yeah,  why outlaw prostitution, free contract! Why outlaw unlicensed medicine, free contract! Why outlaw sale of defective or dangerous products, free contract! Why outlaw insider trading... free contract! ......

Regular Roy: I think its less about government interfering with free contracts (is this what [usually pro-business] politicians think about when they are passing these restrictions?) then it is trying to make society conform to a certain cohesive and nationalistic status quo and creating political diversions to distract the population and attract their support whilst screwing them, creating an environment within which the establishment can function.

Not to nitpick or anything.

My chair and I would love to get married.

IMHO Marriage is the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law.

Edited by Ivan_Melgar_M - April 15 2012 at 23:37

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote: IMHO Marriage is the state of being united to a person of the opposite sex as husband or wife in a consensual and contractual relationship recognized by law. So I don't believe in gay marriage. But I do believe that single people can adopt if they have a stable position that ensure the kids wealth, no matter the sexual preference of the parent,  There are millions of abandoned kids, and gay couples (or single gay persons) are as good parents as heterosexual couples. Sounds contradictory, but that's my position. Iván Note: I believe in equal rights, not in special rights. For example, in my country they have created femicide, if you kill a woman you have a larger conviction, that's absurd Gay or straight you can only marry persons of the opposite sex But adopting is a right that gay or straight share equally

f**king epic man thanks for the video.

The Catholic church will accept gay marriage within 30 years, bank on it. That big bunch of sellouts will do anything to change with the times in order to keep the coffers fill. Time and again they shift the goalposts whenever they worry they're losing customers.

Yeah Ivan, if you are against it for religious reasons/think it's unnatural than that's perfectly fine...but can't use the rationale you are trying.

I and most will agree "special rights" are not equal..but you are trying to claim gay marriage is a special right?
They are already denied that right, so if it was allowed they WOULD be equal, not special.

It's just not a sound reason, just admit you don't like it/the notion goes against your religious beliefs.

VanderGraafKommandöh wrote: Special rights is what heterosexuals have by not allowing homosexuals to marry.

That is an excellent point.

Textbook wrote: Look, let's cut to the chase- whatever he says, Ivan *is* opposing gay marriage because of his religious prejudices. He's trying to conceal this in a trojan horse of logic and law because he knows that if he's honest and says "I hate gays because a man in the sky who created them tells me to", then there's likely to be a dog pile.   PS Ivan's right about femicide though. What complete nonsense that is.

Of course that's the case, but like I said...we're not being fooled, just come out with it, Ivan.
I respect an honest opinion I hate over someone pandering, any day.


That's a different story, no one (should) believe in different penalties for the same crime just because the victim is (insert whatever you'd like). That's for another thread though.