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Posted: April 15 2012 at 06:41
Textbook wrote:
I do believe prog and pop are opposites.
Pop: Appealing to an already extant idea of coolness/happiness in order to create something which will be immediately attractive to a consumer. It needs to be realtively simple in order to be successfully consumed through casual methods such as car radios and TV clips. Does not have to be totally iterative, but if it becomes too different from what is currently the norm, it is unlikely to be considered pop and be played in pop venues.
Prog: Creating something with no regard whatsoever for what the marketplace is interested in. Typically either aims for complexity and grandeur or alienation through the deliberate avoidance of norms. Both of these disqualify it from casual venues.
There you go, philosophical opposites.
Snow Dog: I'm not a snob, I'm right. You guys who judge the entirety of hip-hop based on 8 seconds of a Fifty Cent song you hear from a passing humvee don't have a leg to stand on. You're like young kids who say they hate classical music when they've never heard any ;)
It is impossible to draw a line that says on one side Prog on the other Pop. Where exactly do Yes, Genesis, Floyd etc become Pop? A band like Crass is therefore a Prog band in your book?
All pop music like Hiphop can be incorporated in Prog . If you did how much Hiphop would make it a pop record. How long would the record have to be before it was officially Prog?
Prog came from Pop. They are not mutually exclusive.
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Posted: April 15 2012 at 06:19
Textbook wrote:
Snow Dog: I'm not a snob, I'm right. You guys who judge the entirety of hip-hop based on 8 seconds of a Fifty Cent song you hear from a passing humvee don't have a leg to stand on. You're like young kids who say they hate classical music when they've never heard any ;)
You Guys? Who are they? Did you not read my post defending the Beastie Boys here? Did I not say that I liked De la Soul? I have mentioned also that I like Eminem! Don't tar as all with your generilisations.
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Posted: April 15 2012 at 06:15
I do believe prog and pop are opposites.
Pop: Appealing to an already extant idea of coolness/happiness in order to create something which will be immediately attractive to a consumer. It needs to be realtively simple in order to be successfully consumed through casual methods such as car radios and TV clips. Does not have to be totally iterative, but if it becomes too different from what is currently the norm, it is unlikely to be considered pop and be played in pop venues.
Prog: Creating something with no regard whatsoever for what the marketplace is interested in. Typically either aims for complexity and grandeur or alienation through the deliberate avoidance of norms. Both of these disqualify it from casual venues.
There you go, philosophical opposites.
Snow Dog: I'm not a snob, I'm right. You guys who judge the entirety of hip-hop based on 8 seconds of a Fifty Cent song you hear from a passing humvee don't have a leg to stand on. You're like young kids who say they hate classical music when they've never heard any ;)
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Posted: April 15 2012 at 05:20
He is ok, the best place to really hear what he's like is on their instrumental album 'The Mix Up'. But on a good/great bassist discussion he will never be mentioned. But he is good on creating that groove, but not as an improvisational player.
But let's clear some of the negative opinions about how groovy, rocky, and jazzy they are, and show you their other side, that you won't get from MTV. For all those interested of course.
Is this a hammond organ over there? Oh yes it is!
Don't pay attention to the first 13 seconds it's a promo.
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