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PyramidMeetsTheEye 
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 Topic: Your thoughts on gay rights?
Posted: April 14 2012 at 16:21 |
Just curious what you think on this,for me i support them in every way. i got this in mind when there is a referendum in my country for "family rights"
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stonebeard
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Posted: April 14 2012 at 16:47 |
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The government should not be in the business of granting privileges and tax benefits for marriage. But since society is not about to get government out of basic institutions, it's better to provide all benefits heterosexuals receive to homosexuals.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: April 14 2012 at 16:49 |
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I don't agree with gay marriage but that's about it.
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Blacksword
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Posted: April 14 2012 at 16:58 |
 PyramidMeetsTheEye wrote:
Just curious what you think on this,for me i support them in every way. i got this in mind when there is a referendum in my country for "family rights" |
What are 'family rights'? Tax exemptions etc, for families?
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: April 14 2012 at 17:01 |
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I support marriage equality. The notion that homosexuals are asking for special rights is ludicrous.
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RoyFairbank
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Posted: April 14 2012 at 17:18 |
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There should be no special benefits or incentives for marrying, nor any financial component of marriage or divorce. Nor should it require lengthy procedures to undo or to enter into, and should have few over all civil ramifications, except on such things as visitation rights perhaps. As such, it should not matter who is exactly becoming married or why. There should be no implied moral component, or any religious component unless it is personal choice.
Outside the benefits and incentives, I do not exactly see why people of that persuasion would want to endorse the troubled custom of marriage. Divorce rates and unhappiness in marriage show the poor ability of the institution to cope with modern conditions. Once the incentives are removed, marriage will be replaced by non legally and morally bound relationships over some time (consider how long it took to get to here). It is sort of a shame that people of that persuasion want to be fellow travelers in such a mad caravan heading off the cliff of history. Same thing with the celebration of the repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell.
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The T
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Posted: April 14 2012 at 17:49 |
I don't believe in gay rights. Nor in male's rights. Nor in female rights. In believe in human being's rights.
I don't believe in marriage that much. I believe in loving somebody else so much that you want to commit to that person forever, for sure. I'm not sure about the need of a state-sanctioned contract.
Whatever marriage has meant for me throughout my life (and my view of it has changed), I've always have it thought of it as a union between a man and a woman.
Having said that, if all it is is really a contract that sets rights and obbligations, I don't see why gay people shouldn't be allowed to use it too.
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colorofmoney91
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Posted: April 14 2012 at 17:50 |
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Gay people should have the same rights as heterosexual people. If I weren't heterosexual, then I'd be gay, and if I were to make that switch then I'd expect legal matters in my life to not change at all.
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Epignosis
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Posted: April 14 2012 at 18:44 |
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Our government in the US does not legally have the power to tell us what marriage is. It isn't in the Constitution. But they do it anyway.
Gays shouldn't be begging for "rights." They should be denouncing bureaucracy.
(Never thought I'd be quoting him, but here we go)
Malcolm X said blacks did not need cracker senators deciding what blacks should be allowed to do.
Edited by Epignosis - April 14 2012 at 18:45
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: April 14 2012 at 21:22 |
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All human beings have the same rights as individuals.
The government shouldn't have anything to do with marriage at all.
That sums it up.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Atavachron
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Posted: April 14 2012 at 22:06 |
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Gay rights, generally speaking and not just in marriage which I assume is what the OP means, should of course be supported. Beyond the obvious reasons including equal rights and ethical treatment, it's on the right side of history just as women getting the vote and black Americans getting at least a semblance of normal rights.
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Garden of Dreams
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Posted: April 14 2012 at 23:53 |
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It's kinda sad that we live in a world where laws have to be passed so that people who are not white heterosexual males can get equal rights. Unfortunately subjugation and discrimination is one of the human races most historic past-times since the agricultural revolution. Its good though that we are moving forward as a species and hopefully we will one day see a world where everyone does have equal rights.
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Just give it all an hour by the concrete lake.
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JJLehto
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Posted: April 15 2012 at 02:32 |
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Absolute support.
Marriage, adoption, shouldn't be denied the right of anything, that hasn't been denied to everyone.
My view is its not "gay rights" but human rights...
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DisgruntledPorcupine
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Posted: April 15 2012 at 02:49 |
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Gay people getting anything less than anyone else is just plain ludicrous. Marriage is an even worse case. I don't see why not allowing gay marriage makes any form of sense whatsoever.
Edited by DisgruntledPorcupine - April 15 2012 at 02:50
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OT Räihälä
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Posted: April 15 2012 at 03:50 |
Human rights are human rights, be them gay or not.
I see forming a family as something, where the society has no right to define how it is formed, as long as each part is grown-up and fully conscious of what he/she is doing. I don't see any difference in two men adopting a child than a man and a woman doing that. The only important thing is that parents love their children in a way that doesn't hurt the child.
Edited by OT Räihälä - April 15 2012 at 03:51
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Sean Trane
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Posted: April 15 2012 at 04:56 |
Snow Dog wrote:
I don't agree with gay marriage but that's about it. |
I don't even have that problem, if they want to wed civilly (is that a word) at the town hall, fine with me... my only slight reserve would be the adoption rights (obviously lesbians are not concerned by adoption), it is about the kid's chances to actually grow and live his own sexuality he feels right for him: would he find it normal to be heterosexual if he had two men as parents (the issue does intervene as well, if he has two women as parents) -------------------------------- RE marriage: It seems again that the problem is again once more (not to change habits).... religious... because if they want to marry religiously, of rear-guards religious zealots oppose it... Which is fine by me... why would the gays insist on marrying in backwards and retrograd religious institutions that reject them as sick or evil?? Just to force the garded gates open?? Screw the retrograds and live your life without them, I say!!
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let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
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Atavachron
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Posted: April 15 2012 at 05:38 |
Sean Trane wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
I don't agree with gay marriage but that's about it. |
I don't even have that problem, if they want to wed civilly (is that a word) at the town hall, fine with me... my only slight reserve would be the adoption rights (obviously lesbians are not concerned by adoption), it is about the kid's chances to actually grow and live his own sexuality he feels right for him: would he find it normal to be heterosexual if he had two men as parents (the issue does intervene as well, if he has two women as parents) |
Yes he would; I had numerous friends when I was younger, both men and women, with gay parents (usually one of their natural parents who later began a gay life), and they all turned out straight. A household does not necessarily transfer lifestyle or sexual preference.
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CPicard
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Location: Là, sui monti.
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Posted: April 15 2012 at 05:41 |
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Gay, straight, bi... The only thing that should matter is what people do for the Revolution and for the Workers' Rights!
The reactionary elements of the population would be sent to the GULAG!!!
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topographicbroadways
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Location: Australia
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Posted: April 15 2012 at 07:19 |
Marriage is a life choice. The person you are attracted to should have absolutely no influence on your right to make that choice.
It disgusts me to the core that this is even considered an 'issue' today.
Edited by topographicbroadways - April 15 2012 at 07:20
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Junges
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Posted: April 15 2012 at 07:34 |
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