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Posted: April 12 2012 at 15:57

Edited by desistindo - July 27 2012 at 08:14

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Posted: April 12 2012 at 15:58

I don't agree with the an before h.

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Posted: April 12 2012 at 16:13

IMO, you should leave music as it is, take it as it come and accept with it's strength and weakness lol

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Posted: April 12 2012 at 16:29

Do whatever you want. Who cares what anyone else thinks?

Anyway, I never edit my tracks.

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Posted: April 12 2012 at 16:33

It's not heretic: it's just a pointless way to kill time.

And a creative way to insult people's works, too.

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Posted: April 12 2012 at 17:35

No, I think people who complain about filler and what-not should do just that, then STFU. Wink

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Posted: April 12 2012 at 17:47

I agree that it's kind of a waste of time, but it's fun to do and I do it myself sometimes. People can do whatever they want, I don't see why people are getting so prissy about this... It's not like he thinks he's better than the artist, he just has fun trying to condense the artist's work and having it all still make sense. Power to you!

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Posted: April 12 2012 at 18:38

Oh yes, heresy!

It is a sign of the new digital age when listeners only have the capability to hear things in small, discrete packages that are as easily digestible as regurgitated Cream of Wheat. Actually, I write in jest but it does remind me of the scene in Amadeus when the emperor tells Mozart that his new opera has "too many notes." Mozart, of course, suggests the emperor tell him which ones to remove. Good practice for editing, though. There might be a career in that.

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Posted: April 12 2012 at 18:48

Well maybe a little, although I wouldn't use that particular word myself. The way we live nowadays basically seeps into every little crevice of life. Everything needs to be quick, take away, easy to get out of and something in between. Some things need deep submersion, the utmost dedication and you being patient. It's not that I don't listen to a couple of tracks off a Naked City album to get my adrenalin pumping once in a while, because that I do. I just feel that as a rule of thumb, that one needs to be able to see an album to the door. Just like a story or a movie.

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Posted: April 12 2012 at 19:12

I want to know who Manny is...

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Posted: April 12 2012 at 19:32

In theory I would say editing songs is rather wrong... but then there are some songs with parts I like so much, but others that I just don't like, that I can't help wishing to edit them... or actually end up doing so. Still, I think the song should be listened to very much to make sure you are not missing something that could just click and make you love the entire piece.

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Posted: April 12 2012 at 19:43

STONE THE HERETIC! Who is with me?...

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Posted: April 12 2012 at 20:32

kevin4peace wrote:

I agree that it's kind of a waste of time, but it's fun to do and I do it myself sometimes. People can do whatever they want, I don't see why people are getting so prissy about this... It's not like he thinks he's better than the artist, he just has fun trying to condense the artist's work and having it all still make sense. Power to you!

Cheers

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Posted: April 12 2012 at 20:53

Guldbamsen wrote:

Well maybe a little, although I wouldn't use that particular word myself. The way we live nowadays basically seeps into every little crevice of life. Everything needs to be quick, take away, easy to get out of and something in between. Some things need deep submersion, the utmost dedication and you being patient. It's not that I don't listen to a couple of tracks off a Naked City album to get my adrenalin pumping once in a while, because that I do. I just feel that as a rule of thumb, that one needs to be able to see an album to the door. Just like a story or a movie.

Well, i think you lost the point a little. Im not criticizing the digital format...If would be possible to edit in vynil i certainly would do it... And the general idea is not justto make the songs shorter, you dont got it: it has to do with the own prog failures, are not all progressive bands that are able to make a great composition last for 20 min. Some bands, which are in the "B league", so to speak, first try to make a long song, by presuming that's what progressive bands do. So all I do is take the excesses recognizing the great parties.

So, I'm always able to hear a particular artist without torturing myself with parts that I got lazy. Of course this is based on purely personal taste, you may not agree with that would eliminate the songs, but it does not mean that it's insulting to the artist, is only for personal purposes, like I said, and yes it is a positive phenomenon in modernity: customization. If the King found that the composition of Mozart had many notes, he could edit it on his personal computer, without needing to ask the artist to change it in its conception. The result is an amazing myriad of endless possibilities and unimaginable, without any losses for nobody. I have spoken.

Edited by desistindo - April 12 2012 at 20:54

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Posted: April 12 2012 at 21:38

CPicard wrote:

... a creative way to insult people's works, too.

An interesting point, indeed.

However, let the dude do whatever he wants. Maybe it's a moral wrong. We are kind of talking "pornography" here. And if he does miss something, it's his loss. There is nothing we really can do about it.

Edited by Dayvenkirq - April 12 2012 at 21:39

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Posted: April 12 2012 at 23:55

I prefer to learn to play the songs, and then improve upon them in my version. It's what Bach did to Vivaldi, after all!

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Posted: April 13 2012 at 01:28

Ambient Hurricanes wrote:

I prefer to learn to play the songs, and then improve upon them in my version. It's what Bach did to Vivaldi, after all!

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Posted: April 13 2012 at 02:27

I love long and sophistically arched prog compositions, but I am feeling something like nostalgic respect to creator, I want listen music how they want it in creation times.

So you are not heretic for me, but it is not way for me personally.

edit:

If you play your CDs on PC (or some other intelligent device), you can easy temporarily to change sequence of short tracks into one neverending suite using some function in your player, in WinAmp for example crossfade with sfuffle for "just in time" self compose. Yes, it is not creative - but very effective.

Edited by progresssaurus - April 14 2012 at 01:21

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Posted: April 13 2012 at 04:46

I often edit tracks.

Just look at my Frances The Mute :

Edited by Gentlegiantprog - April 13 2012 at 04:47

Let the maps of war be drawn !

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Posted: April 13 2012 at 07:54

I won't bother myself with editing songs.
Sometimes, the artists themselves re-record their stuff or change some parts in concerts: Gentle Giant, King Crimson, This Heat or Henry Cow have "altered" some tunes of their own repertoire, playing medleys of some songs.
Also, some songs may have been edited to be released as singles: "Roundabout" and "America" by Yes are the first examples which came to my mind. Hey, even Magma's "MDK" had been edited to be released as a 45 rpm!

So, let the musicians or the record labels do this job for you (who, me, lazy?)