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    Posted: March 14 2012 at 15:16
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I'm a supporter of the LGBT community and I like to honor their spokespeople such as Harvey Milk, Neil Patrick Harris, Elton John, and Ellen DeGeneres. Now that the Dharun Ravi v. US case is now underway, though tragic, has somehow sparked an interest for me in learning about LGBT musicians in progressive rock or otherwise progressive music (other than Freddie Mercury). There was this thread back in the day that kind of touches on the subject but it was a bit vague in scope and didn't really offer much helpful information from contributors. I'm not asking for prog that sounds gay, which arguably would be most of it from the '70s considering the obvious flamboyance (capes, long girly hair, etc.), but I'm instead looking for specific progressive rock musicians and hopefully to offer an opportunity to recognize them appropriately if their musicianship sticks out in anyway, given their unique stance in their personal lives. 

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If you are including post rock, the only person I can think of off the top of my head is Jonsi.
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Jonsi is gay? :D

Seems obvious now, and he definitely does have a unique style worth mentioning, both as a solo artist and with Sigur Ros.
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Incidentally, there's a band listed on PA named "Harvey Milk".  They're one of my favorite bands, from Athens GA (right down the road!).  It's unclear to me whether they're actually gay or not (not that I care really), but it is clear that they're not using his name in an ironic/joking manner either.  They fall under "experimental/post-metal" here, and they play art-damaged sludge.  I was pleasantly surprised to see them in the database, to be honest - I would never have thought of them as prog or prog related.  I guess a lot of stuff is prog now.
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I really don't see much point in "Elton/Freddie/Jonsi is gay" or "ABC bassist from XYZ band is gay".

Rather, keeping in mind open-mindedness (artistic and otherwise) of prog community I would like to hear about some elaborate lyrics/storytelling. We have some brilliant lyricists in prog rock, touching the topics of religion, philosophy, life and death, politics and whatnot...I guess LGBT topic was occasionally visited too.

I know a number of such songs which belong into good pop, but not any from prog sphere (except Queen, which were most lascivious when they were most complex, and...Arnold Layne perhaps).
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Originally posted by colorofmoney91 colorofmoney91 wrote:


If you're gonna be a dick then don't bother to post, but if you're an admin who seriously sees an ethical problem with this thread then definitely do feel free to close it. 

 
The only ethical problem is when people speculate and "out" artists who haven't made any public announcement to their sexual orientation. If that happens we will be hiding a few posts and having quiet words in people's ears. Otherwise, no problems, carry on.
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Originally posted by clarke2001 clarke2001 wrote:

I really don't see much point in "Elton/Freddie/Jonsi is gay" or "ABC bassist from XYZ band is gay".

Rather, keeping in mind open-mindedness (artistic and otherwise) of prog community I would like to hear about some elaborate lyrics/storytelling. We have some brilliant lyricists in prog rock, touching the topics of religion, philosophy, life and death, politics and whatnot...I guess LGBT topic was occasionally visited too.

I know a number of such songs which belong into good pop, but not any from prog sphere (except Queen, which were most lascivious when they were most complex, and...Arnold Layne perhaps).

I was going to include in my OP, but neglected to, that I was hoping to hear from songwriters in prog who have written lyrics based on their personal viewpoint of them being LGBT. 

But I did mention that I don't care much for simply "X is gay" but I instead hope for pointing out musicians who meet the criteria and who also have their own unique style that could be celebrated. For example, Jonsi has a unique artistic style that can be heard in his voice, in his songwriting, and even in his music videos, whereas another "gay musician X" might sound just like everyone or anyone else.
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

LGBT? WTF?

LOL WTF
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Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

LGBT? WTF?
Lesbian Gay Bisexual and Trysexual.


Edited by Slartibartfast - March 14 2012 at 16:01
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by colorofmoney91 colorofmoney91 wrote:


If you're gonna be a dick then don't bother to post, but if you're an admin who seriously sees an ethical problem with this thread then definitely do feel free to close it. 

 
The only ethical problem is when people speculate and "out" artists who haven't made any public announcement to their sexual orientation. If that happens we will be hiding a few posts and having quiet words in people's ears. Otherwise, no problems, carry on.

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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

LGBT? WTF?
Lesbian Gay Bisexual and Transgender.
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I knew that.  Bi the way I am totally supportive as well.

"It's only water in a stranger's tear."

It's no skin off my back if consenting adults have sexual and relationship freedom and enjoy things that are different than I do.

Proggers really don't usually make a big deal about their sexuality.  So you know this thread can only go so far anyway.


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The name eludes me, but there was that guy who played with Jethro Tull that is now a woman. Edit: David Palmer, who is now known as Dee Palmer.  Played keyboards for Jethro Tull during the 70's. 

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Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

The name eludes me, but there was that guy who played with Jethro Tull that is now a woman. Edit: David Palmer, who is now known as Dee Palmer.  Played keyboards for Jethro Tull during the 70's. 

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Going about her early career as a jobbing arranger and conductor of recording sessions, Palmer recorded her first album project, Nicola, in 1967 with Bert Jansch. She was then referred to Terry Ellis, then manager of the early Jethro Tull, which was making its first album at Sound Techniques Studio in Chelsea, London. At short notice, Palmer came up with arrangements for the horns and strings on the Mick Abrahams composition, "Move on Alone" from the This Was album. This work and professional performance endeared her to the band and she was soon to visit them again, with a string quartet arrangement to "A Christmas Song". Palmer arranged string, brass, and woodwind parts for Jethro Tull songs in the late 1960s and early 1970s, before formally joining the group in 1976 and primarily playing electronic keyboard instruments. In 1980, leader Ian Anderson intended to release the album A with other musicians as a solo project (under the name 'Ian Anderson') but was persuaded by his record label to release it instead under the 'Jethro Tull' name. This resulted in every member of the group, including Palmer, leaving except guitarist Martin Barre and Anderson himself. Palmer formed a new group, Tallis, with former Jethro Tull pianist and organist John Evan. The new group was not commercially successful, and Palmer returned to film scoring and sessions. Beginning in the 1980s, Palmer produced several albums of orchestral arrangements of the music of various rock groups, including Jethro Tull, Pink Floyd, Genesis, Yes, The Beatles and Queen.

She seems to be moderately accomplished.
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Originally posted by rushfan4 rushfan4 wrote:

The name eludes me, but there was that guy who played with Jethro Tull that is now a woman. Edit: David Palmer, who is now known as Dee Palmer.  Played keyboards for Jethro Tull during the 70's. 

I vaguely remember hearing about that.  Reminded me of Walter Carlos who became Wendy.  I've got a couple albums by Wendy - The Beauty In The Beast and Digital Moonscapes.  The first one is a masterpiece, the second one I listed is rather dull.


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Well I like Elton John. In the 70s at least.
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