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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2012 at 18:36
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

If you don't even understand the process, why are you sitting here criticizing people?


Fine.  Don't answer my question then.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2012 at 18:41
It depends on the State. Some states have closed primaries where only those registered as party members can vote in the primary. Some have open ones when anyone legally able to vote can vote in the primary. In PA where Pat and I reside, you have closed primaries. 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2012 at 18:43
It's NP James.
The primaries are for deciding party candidates only.
If you're a Dem you have to vote for the Dem candidates, same for Reps. Or the Green Party or legalize Marijuana party and etc. If you're Independent you may not get to at all, some states let you. Though it all varies.

In the actual election, you can vote for anyone. I can write in Aaron Turner from Isis if I want.

As a registered Democrat, I would have to switch to Republican to vote in that primary...but that's an easy thing to do.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2012 at 18:45
Thanks.

Is there an option to spoil your paper, like we have over here?  If we don't find a candidate we like, we usually spoil our paper.  At least then we're still coming out to vote.

That seems like a terribly unfair system by the way.  A bit elitist in those closed primaries especially.

All States should have the same system, in my opinion.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2012 at 18:53
States are meant to be heterogeneous. The purpose of the country is to have independent states and a weak federal government binding them. I don't quite like the idea of a closed primary, but I do somewhat understand it. I wish PA did not have one. You can easily switch your affiliation though. I had many people I know switch to republican to vote for Ron Paul.

I'm not sure what you mean by spoil your paper. If you mean something that shows you came to vote, but you do not cast it for any candidate, then we do not have that. You can always write in a candidate as a spoiler. People often write in Mickey Mouse for this purpose. Since the ballots are secret though, I do not so much see the point though.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2012 at 18:55
Well things are rarely uniform here lol almost always varies by state.
I do think that idea has been floated around in election reform, having all open primaries. I wouldn't mind honestly. Though I guess in theory it could lead to an election with this guy  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_McMillan against http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermin_Supreme

Sounds like something a book should be about, everyone trying to ruin the other party and we get 2 joke candidates!

edit: yeah as Pat said, in reality it's not a big deal to do. Which I will probably do, then either go back or to Independent.






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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2012 at 18:56
The debt is too damn high!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2012 at 18:57
But we owe it to ourselves so it doesn't matter.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2012 at 18:58
MY STUDENTS ARE TOO DAMN HIGH
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2012 at 18:59
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:


The free market solution is to eliminate the tragedy of the commons not embrace it as the government solution does.


You cannot give everyone his own planet.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2012 at 19:00
Greatest candidate ever.


And he's running as a Republican this year lolol
Sounds like, (I guess) some type of communist.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2012 at 19:00
Originally posted by Gamemako Gamemako wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:


The free market solution is to eliminate the tragedy of the commons not embrace it as the government solution does.


You cannot give everyone his own planet.


Are you trying to provide an example of a straw man argument?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2012 at 19:03
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:


Are you trying to provide an example of a straw man argument?


I am saying that the free market does not avoid the problem at all because you cannot eliminate the existence of the commons.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2012 at 19:03
If I switched from Labour to Conservative, my parents would disown me. LOL

I hate the right-wing I realise Ron Paul is not your usual Republican but you're falling yourself if you think he's the saviour of The United States of America.

So I'd just not bother switching, Brian and just not bother voting.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2012 at 19:07
Originally posted by Gamemako Gamemako wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:


Are you trying to provide an example of a straw man argument?


I am saying that the free market does not avoid the problem at all because you cannot eliminate the existence of the commons.


We seemed to do an alright job with agriculture.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2012 at 19:08
Well it'd be solely for this, I'm an independent and will be that later :D   Well before all this I was thinking of going Independent but f**k it...lazinessLOL
Yeah he's not really a Republican in my mind and the savior? Maybe not but gotta go for what's best. I'm sick of settling for the "lesser evil" (yeah I know) and I just can't not vote. Stubborn I know.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2012 at 19:08
Originally posted by James James wrote:

If I switched from Labour to Conservative, my parents would disown me. LOL

I hate the right-wing I realise Ron Paul is not your usual Republican but you're falling yourself if you think he's the saviour of The United States of America.

So I'd just not bother switching, Brian and just not bother voting.


I question how much you even know about him. I think you're fooling yourself if you think there's a better candidate or if you think what any other candidate says will actually be true when they get elected.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2012 at 19:09
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:


We seemed to do an alright job with agriculture.


That doesn't make any sense. Care to elaborate?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2012 at 19:09
Here's how much Republicans hate Paul - listened to Medved today, he was asked who'd he vote for in an Obama-Paul election.  He said he'd just stay home.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 05 2012 at 19:11
I don't think any of them are suitable.  Why would I vote for Ron Paul?  Seriously?

There isn't a left in America.  The Democrats are barely more left than the Republicans and they're not even really that left.

So I guess I'd be a Mickey Mouse voter.
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