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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 25 2011 at 10:44
No strings attached for me, hope you all have a great day. Whatever you celebrate or even if not at all, still hope it's a nice day! 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 26 2011 at 09:48
Well I celebrated it by spending lots of time with family, eating good food, and consuming a large amount of alcohol. So basically, I had a great time! :D
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 28 2011 at 09:22
I think it's time to open the third...
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 28 2011 at 10:51
Yesterday when I was at the dentist's, they had CNN on and were actually talking about Ron Paul leading in Iowa. Of course, they were quick to mention that if he wins there, it will mean absolutely nothing in the overall scheme of things. Then they turned to talking about why Newt is such a bad human being for the rest of the segment. Because we didn't know that already.....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 28 2011 at 11:13
Originally posted by horsewithteeth11 horsewithteeth11 wrote:

Yesterday when I was at the dentist's, they had CNN on and were actually talking about Ron Paul leading in Iowa. Of course, they were quick to mention that if he wins there, it will mean absolutely nothing in the overall scheme of things. Then they turned to talking about why Newt is such a bad human being for the rest of the segment. Because we didn't know that already.....

People are still mentioning Newt without laughing and rolling around on the floor in tears, so I think they need to talk about how terrible a person he all the more.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 29 2011 at 23:36
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2011 at 07:12
That's pretty cool actually.

The Ron Paul is racist stuff defies all common sense. The only people who seem to believe it are racist white republicans who are going to vote for someone like Newt.

This is a sappy thing, but I thought its a nice little video for Ron.


"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2011 at 08:39
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2011 at 09:09
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

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Ayn Rand and the Sociopathic Society or ‘How I Learned to Stop Loving My Neighbor and Despise Them Instead.’


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Do you know why Rand’s laissez-faire utopia would fail?  It’s the exact same reason a socialist utopia would fail; people are imperfect.  We are greedy, envious, petty and selfish.  There will always be some among us who will better themselves specifically to the detriment of others because they simply don’t care.  There will always be those who, as they gain power and wealth, will want more at any expense.  We saw this in action in communist Russia.  It was rife with the kind of corruption described so very well in George Orwell’s Animal Farm.  Everyone was equal, but some were more equal than others.

And here's where the author shows his hand.  Nothing will ever "work" because people are imperfect.

I don't hold a Libertarian ideology because it will "work;" I hold it because it is ethical.



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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2011 at 10:32
"We are greedy, envious, petty and selfish". One ideology recognizes this and tries to use this for the advantage of most people (or at least make all of them equally free to try). The other one tries to turn everybody in something they are not by the decree of a group of greedy, envious, petty and selfish powerful people. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 30 2011 at 10:47
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Enjoy:
Ayn Rand and the Sociopathic Society or ‘How I Learned to Stop Loving My Neighbor and Despise Them Instead.’

Of course, this whole article is completely confused with conservatism (in America) and libertarianism.  

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 31 2011 at 10:10
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Enjoy:
Ayn Rand and the Sociopathic Society or ‘How I Learned to Stop Loving My Neighbor and Despise Them Instead.’


Do you even expect me to read that? I've read Rand. I don't need to hear someone's opinion of Rand who has never actually read Rand.

EDIT: I did decide to read it. Is this an opinion piece written for a freshman composition class or is this website supposed to be reputable?

Originally posted by Thing Thing wrote:


  • No environmental protection – Environmental laws makes things more expensive for me and that’s bad.  I also don’t understand the concept of long term impact; I want cheap gas and gadgets now!  Stoopid…ah, you get the idea…
  • Don’t raise my taxes – EVER.  The government can find its own money to pay for stuff.
Amazing that you don't even have to pay for that analysis.

Originally posted by Thing Thing wrote:

Mahatma Ghandi said a society is judged by how it treats its most vulnerable.  By this very simple criterion, the conservative sociopathic society would be found wanting and yet the conservative movement claims to be the party of God, family and human decency.  It is none of these things as we’ll examine in my next liberal descent into madness”


The author lacks even the basic ability to separate the actions of government from the actions of people, unable to separate the government comprised of a few hundred individuals who rule a geographical area, from the people, society, and culture of that geographical area. This straw man has been pointed out by laizze-fare liberals throughout history, yet it continues to be used by the power hungry to justify actions.


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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 31 2011 at 10:57
Slart is so good at trolling y'all.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 31 2011 at 15:35
Trolls are a vital part of the internet ecosystem. 
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 31 2011 at 15:49
Wish you all the best in 2012!

You gon need it....because if the past year(s) have been an example the government will be coming on harder than ever!
o I made myself sad

Not to sound like a crazed libertarian but with so many recent actions, including another habeaus corpus disregard and most recent attempt at censoring the internet...I'm starting to wonder if the Age of Tyranny is truly upon us.
It was Freedom House that noticed (in however they determine their rankings) that much of the world took a slide in Freedom these recent years, including Western Europe where I believe Italy lost its fully "free" status!

While it should not do so....guess economic crisis gives the government authority to impose upon our personal freedoms.

I know I know you cant draw lines in freedom especially about "personal" and "economic" and etc but too badTongue
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 31 2011 at 18:34
>Ignores all discussion that goes on
>Posts about Ron Paul

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 31 2011 at 19:54
yeah get outta here Andy, dont you have DT to fap to, erm to listen to? :P
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2012 at 08:11
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2012 at 18:25
Aw Teo beat me to it.
Ah well.


Happy New Year!
http://www.aclu.org/national-security/president-obama-signs-indefinite-detention-bill-law

I really think Bama is trying to take Wubya's place as greatest American troll. He's done a 180 on pretty much everything he ever said, has had zero push on anything and has failed to be anything like us true liberals had expected.
The only hope left may honestly be Paul and I still don't really like some sh*t about him.

Maybe this is truly the time to stop caring about politicsLOL
Seriously, is Bama f**kin trolling us? I can let healthcare go because that was quite out of his hands (though even there he could've pushed more AND that POS bill was nothing like what I hoped) but god damn I used to at least think "Well Obama sucks but at least he's a fine guy" but it seems obvious he is like all the rest.

Talked a big game and I fell for it like others. He wants nothing different than the others





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Direct Link To This Post Posted: January 01 2012 at 18:59
 
The big ProgArchives question:
Will Slarti still blindly vote for W's 4th term?


Time always wins.
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