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Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by The Doctor The Doctor wrote:


However, in the interests of peace, I will stop posting any more in any political forums


Sure.  And I'll wear a blond wig and a dress to the office tomorrow.


And I will donate to the IRS.


hehe it's like you have a choice!



Good point Drewbeard, though I would take a guess (since none are here) that hard core Republicans would behave in the same way.


In donating, I have a choice. In them stealing from me, I do not.
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Yes, but why willingly donate even more of your money!? Better hope Doc caves and comes back in here.

O also you didn't actually refute me saying you "owed" me. I expect cheesesteaks and lager soon.




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I was citing something I would never do my good man. I would rather burn money than give it to the government.

Do you think I would invite you to Philly and not buy you a sandwich and a few drinks? I thought that much is assumed. I wouldn't want to be a bad host.
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The grand irony is I finally switched to direct deposit, so I wouldn't have to see the theft....would've hit after my next check.
Of course they let me go (after I worked one day) so my first ever direct deposit and last for them was for 7.5 hours bropeths. Hardcore sh*t there.

And you never know, I don't like to make assumptions. Week of the 25th you say? Damn so close to the Cowboys game.

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It can be another time, I just have the most free time when I do not work (obvious statement). If you want the cheesesteak, we need to get there before 2:00pm on a weekday so it would need to be a day I do not have work. 
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Nah it's all good, and sooner is better for me.
You got my cell, hit me up.


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Work still crazy this week. When I get through it, we'll talk a day.
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Originally posted by horsewithteeth11 horsewithteeth11 wrote:

Originally posted by King Crimson776 King Crimson776 wrote:

Originally posted by horsewithteeth11 horsewithteeth11 wrote:

Originally posted by King Crimson776 King Crimson776 wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

My apologies then.

I still find your statement very misguided.

Ok, but I don't see how else you could get big business to stop exploiting the gov't... there are people who are idealists and would try to change it, but I have my doubts as to whether it's even possible for them to get elected.

1) Kill most/all of the government's revenue
2) Kill it's printing press (the Fed) so it can't print all the money it wants and manipulate interest rates to fight off market forces.

Doing both would also get rid of those pesky lobbyists because they wouldn't have any political favor to buy. That seemed simple enough.

How do you do all of this though, who gets it done?

1) Slowly, over a gradual process, eliminate most or all forms of taxation.
2) Slowly, over a gradual process, phase the Federal Reserve out of existence. Might want to start with a nice external audit of them just so most people can realize how much harm they've caused to the U.S. (and world for that matter) economy over the last 100 years.

As for who gets it done, it requires the people to have a better understanding of free markets and history. That and showing enough of them the truth will eventually convince them to loosen the shackles of government. If you want me to elaborate more, I'm sure myself and several others in this thread would be more than glad to.

If you have no taxes then everything is privatized, a lot of people won't even be able to get medical care (which has happened a ton already, good old Chuck Shuldiner died because of this), there's just no empathy in such a system. I'm also not at all convinced by those who claim FDR's policies were bad, the market didn't seem to be fixing itself (if you care to argue this then I'm glad to hear you out).
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Originally posted by King Crimson776 King Crimson776 wrote:

If you have no taxes then everything is privatized, a lot of people won't even be able to get medical care (which has happened a ton already, good old Chuck Shuldiner died because of this), there's just no empathy in such a system. I'm also not at all convinced by those who claim FDR's policies were bad, the market didn't seem to be fixing itself (if you care to argue this then I'm glad to hear you out).

Here, let me help you out. 

1. Sure, Chuck Schuldiner probably would still be around if we had universal single-payer healthcare. However, you must ask yourself: Why should the government automatically be presumed be the solution and not the free market? If you look at the things our Government does now, you must admit it does a very poor job (understatement). Our giant deficit, the failure of Social security, etc. Why do you want to give a bloated, inflated bureaucracy more power to mismanage even more things? What the healthcare system in this country needs is the free market, not government. Allow competition between hospitals to provide quality care at low costs. Ultimately what will get healthcare costs down is better technology which will advance at a much faster rate if we allow the free market to work.

2. FDR's policies were a complete failure. I'm not sure what else you can call over a decade of an economic depression. The market didn't fix itself because it never got a chance. Hoover increased spending on many public works projects (it's called the Hoover Dam for a reason) and very stupidly dramatically raising corporate taxes and tariffs to absurd levels. Both Hoover and FDR (especially the later) dramatically increased the government's role in the economy, but obviously it didn't work.        
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Well, Gingrich just aligned himself with Lincoln and FDR. He also supports interference on the judicial branch. Not that I love the actual system of justice here, but, damn... He really loves power.
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Ron Paul spectacular in the question about the judges and liberty.
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Ugh, I can't recall Gingrich's exact quote, but he basically said that it is "un-american" to remove the phrase "under God" from the pledge. I guess Atheists are just a bunch of evil un-american b*****ds then. 
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Was it un-American when it wasn't in the pledge before the 1950s?
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Yeah probably. America didn't really exist before 1950 anyway. 
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Once again Ron Paul shows how it's done in foreign policy.

I guess Slarti and TheDoc still can't tell him apart from other republicans.
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Originally posted by Dudemanguy Dudemanguy wrote:

Ugh, I can't recall Gingrich's exact quote, but he basically said that it is "un-american" to remove the phrase "under God" from the pledge. I guess Atheists are just a bunch of evil un-american b*****ds then. 

I wish one day someone would ask in one of these debates: "could an atheist be president?". The answers would so greatly laughable...
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Whoa, Santorum just strongly implied that Muslim theology seeks to destroy all of western civilization. And people applauded him for being so insane.... 
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Santorum said that Iran is bad because, basically, of their religious extremism. Someone should have shoved a mirror down his ass...
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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Dudemanguy Dudemanguy wrote:

Ugh, I can't recall Gingrich's exact quote, but he basically said that it is "un-american" to remove the phrase "under God" from the pledge. I guess Atheists are just a bunch of evil un-american b*****ds then. 

I wish one day someone would ask in one of these debates: "could an atheist be president?". The answers would so greatly laughable...

Atheists don't even exist. Everyone knows deep down inside that god really exists. Ermm
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Ron Paul just schooled poor stupid Bachmann...
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