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rushfan4 
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The T
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Posted: October 12 2011 at 11:04 |
And what is so bad about the word "anarchist" that I see people here use, as always since you've been conditioned to, in abject fear? Oh I imagine you immediately picture gangs of people pillaging everything and setting the cities on fire....
I can't talk about all the Occupy people. I'm sure a high percentage are in a situation that requires them to take this action and good for them, confused in their targets as they might be. There must be at least a decent percentage, though, that are there because they don't have the jobs they want and don't want to get anything lower than their expectations ask for. And there must be a percentage of opportunists. And a percentage of just lazy people. A little bit of everything with no clear message except "down with wall street". Yes right.
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Failcore
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Posted: October 12 2011 at 11:08 |
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I am a supporter, but not for the reason most of the others are. I understand it to be a largely liberal movement that wants to remove the free-market. I just wanna get rid of the w**kers that are f**king it up. No sense in throwing out the baby with the bathwater. Any true capitalist should not oppose occupy tho, because it is actually the consumers exercising their rights. Boycotts and protests mean the free-market is actually working to some extent.
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The T
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Posted: October 12 2011 at 11:15 |
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The T
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Posted: October 12 2011 at 11:17 |
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And, as many have said already, it's ironic how the police is piling and abusing these protesters, yet these protesters want more and more government control, of which a strong brutal police force is an essential part.
Edited by The T - October 12 2011 at 11:18
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stonebeard
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Posted: October 12 2011 at 11:45 |
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I believe our federal government is too far gone down the road of corporatism, special benefits, back door deals, and especially wanting more government to ever be able to right itself on it own, at let alone to the point of justice. Maybe if things get significantly worse for more and more people. Then it will be interesting to see whether or not it comes to violence. We're so eager to support protests and uprisings in Syria and Libya, I just wonder if it we'll be so embracing of that when corporate domination of politics here gets as undemocratic as actual strongman dictatorships over there.
Edited by stonebeard - October 12 2011 at 11:45
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King of Loss
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Posted: October 12 2011 at 11:48 |
 stonebeard wrote:
I believe our federal government is too far gone down the road of corporatism, special benefits, back door deals, and especially wanting more government to ever be able to right itself on it own, at let alone to the point of justice. Maybe if things get significantly worse for more and more people. Then it will be interesting to see whether or not it comes to violence. We're so eager to support protests and uprisings in Syria and Libya, I just wonder if it we'll be so embracing of that when corporate domination of politics here gets as undemocratic as actual strongman dictatorships over there. |
I have a feeling that's coming the way here due to a huge decrease of wages for the general population. Let's hope it doesn't turn really ugly.
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The T
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Posted: October 12 2011 at 11:48 |
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^As I said somewhere else, the Syrian and Libyan armies could be defeated by an armed populace so a violent and successful revolt against those governments wasn't unthinkable. Try to do that with the government that commands the most powerful army in the world.
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: October 12 2011 at 11:53 |
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But American soldiers and national guard troops are less likely to obey orders to shoot civilians. Maybe.
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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stonebeard
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Posted: October 12 2011 at 11:53 |
The T wrote:
^As I said somewhere else, the Syrian and Libyan armies could be defeated by an armed populace so a violent and successful revolt against those governments wasn't unthinkable. Try to do that with the government that commands the most powerful army in the world. |
The thing is, as least now, a violent uprising in the United States is itself unthinkable. It would require that illusion that it's the best country on earth to be shattered completely, which is asking a lot anyway. I don't think we'll come to that, but it is interesting to think of how we'd handle it as a nation if our people were that dissatisfied. I seriously and completely don't believe our military would wage a war against its own populace, but that it unpredictable. I image if things continue this way, secession is much more likely. Perhaps the breaking up of the Union in some ways. Which, honestly, I can't find a reason not to support.
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The T
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Posted: October 12 2011 at 12:03 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
But American soldiers and national guard troops are less likely to obey orders to shoot civilians. Maybe.
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Maybe. I would hope so. But just maybe.
On the other hand, yes, a breaking of the union would be a likely result and nothing to be extremely scared of.
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stonebeard
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Posted: October 12 2011 at 12:11 |
The T wrote:
Henry Plainview wrote:
But American soldiers and national guard troops are less likely to obey orders to shoot civilians. Maybe.
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Maybe. I would hope so. But just maybe.
On the other hand, yes, a breaking of the union would be a likely result and nothing to be extremely scared of. |
Except the last time that happened, there was kind of an enormous war.
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: October 12 2011 at 12:15 |
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Except the last time that happened, there was kind of an enormous war. |
You got something better to do than die in combat over a hill?
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stonebeard
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Posted: October 12 2011 at 12:16 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
Except the last time that happened, there was kind of an enormous war. |
You got something better to do than die in combat over a hill? |
Well, the new Parks and Rec is Thursday...
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: October 12 2011 at 12:18 |
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I assume that it would be canceled in the even of civil war.
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stonebeard
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Posted: October 12 2011 at 12:32 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
I assume that it would be canceled in the even of civil war.
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Meh. If they cancel Arrested Development again, then it's really on.
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: October 12 2011 at 12:43 |
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Oh, we both know Arrested Development isn't really going to happen. You might as well die in battle right now and save yourself the agony.
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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King of Loss
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Posted: October 12 2011 at 13:01 |
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"We are trapped in the belly of this horrible machine and the machine is bleeding to death"
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: October 12 2011 at 13:04 |
King of Loss wrote:
"We are trapped in the belly of this horrible machine and the machine is bleeding to death"
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I can never stop from laughing at "I pulled out my wallet, and it was full of blood." I know what he's getting at, but...
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: October 12 2011 at 13:14 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
But American soldiers and national guard troops are less likely to obey orders to shoot civilians. Maybe.
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lol Don't be so naive.
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