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Posted: February 08 2011 at 12:45
The T wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Even if God exists, I don't see why I should love/respect/care about him at all. That's something that drove me away from Christianity.
Oh Pat. Couldn't you find a link with believing in a super powerful being that will punish you if you deviate and to whom you owe absolute allegiance just because you were born, and... believing in a super powerful being that will punish you if you deviate and to whom you owe absolute allegiance just because you were born?
There's the psychological link between religion and politics. Just change the name of the messiah.
Oh I see the link. That's exactly where my question comes from. Stoney echoed it too.
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Posted: February 08 2011 at 12:28
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Even if God exists, I don't see why I should love/respect/care about him at all. That's something that drove me away from Christianity.
Oh Pat. Couldn't you find a link with believing in a super powerful being that will punish you if you deviate and to whom you owe absolute allegiance just because you were born, and... believing in a super powerful being that will punish you if you deviate and to whom you owe absolute allegiance just because you were born?
There's the psychological link between religion and politics. Just change the name of the messiah.
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Posted: February 08 2011 at 12:23
Padraic wrote:
I always wanted to do a poll to see how many people would give up their right to vote in exchange for free cable.
Things being how they are, I'm not sure which one is more useful. One gives you an illusion to keep you entertained... The other one requires a set-top box.
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Posted: February 08 2011 at 12:22
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Epignosis wrote:
The first novel I wrote is called Tolerance. It deals with an alien race among US people. This alien race is inherently inept and stupid, yet the United States government requires that teachers and other federally-funded entities cater to them and help them thrive, despite the havoc that doing so causes.
Is that...racist?
Nope. The aliens are a different species, not a different race.Besides, race isn't an issue at all. Culture is.
Even I missed any racial implications here. Obviously, if it's alien, it's not human, therefore not racist from our point of view (speciesist? Planetist?). And if you were loomi g at the metaphoric side of it, I also understood it was more related to how the working people feed the lazy ones, no matter what race they have. That most poor people belong to minorities have nothig to do with race, but how they got here, and how they don't integrate into the system, or decide to love on external support and forget how to do things themselves.
I'm still under the impression that our government really is mostly illusion. I can't get past the ticking voice in my head that screams "it's all divide and conquer!"; they get everyone riled up and their own citizens soon pick sides based on arbitrary values (which they were indoctrinated on by the system itself) then make un-informed choices about the entire countries future and spending. How can stupid, un-interested people who are more interested in American Idol, playing Call of Duty, and competing over who makes more money run a country built on our collective voice? They can't, and that's the entire point. I'd go so far to even say that it's basically a plutocracy in disguise as democracy to give people the illusion of choice, when both outcomes don't serve their well being in the long run. America is a giant Wal-Mart, and we are all employees.
The best slave is the one who truly believes he is a free man.
I also heavily believe that if you can't exercise your intellect and critical thinking ability on a daily even HOURLY basis, you really have no hope for freedom. Most people's main concern in their daily life is getting to the job they hate so they can pay for sh*t they don't really need, become jaded on life thinking "this is it; might as well live it up!". "Living it up" becomes spending money on pointless sh*t like TV's and home entertainment so you can be brainwashed in hi-def and not have to worry about your pointless job.
Sometimes I feel like the ENTIRE point of politics is the old "carrot and donkey" scheme. They present change as a viable option, but everything that actually NEEDS change for progress is almost always ignored and considered frivolous by our government. This thread is full of TRULY smart people with great ideas and opinions that I could see helping our situation if the majority of our country understood what the governments role SHOULD be. Politics as we know it isn't based on "change" and "progress"; it's based on fooling the public into surrendering the very rights that got those sick f**ks into office in the first place, so when sh*t REALLY hits the fan, we can't defend ourselves.
To quote a really good band:
"You may not have all you want, all you need
All that you've had has been due to my hand
It can change; It can stay the same
Who's to say? Who can make their claim
You are my people, and there must be no change!
HAIL! HAIL! HAIL! TO THE POWER AND TO GLORYS WAY!"
Edited by AllP0werToSlaves - February 08 2011 at 11:03
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Posted: February 08 2011 at 10:33
Padraic wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
I could go into tons of reasons why I'm an atheist, but the primary thing is that I simply hate the idea that something created me with the expectation of praise for doing so.
Don't get along with Mom and Dad then?
Nah I love my folks. They probably had those expectations dashed when my older brother was born.
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Posted: February 08 2011 at 10:28
stonebeard wrote:
I could go into tons of reasons why I'm an atheist, but the primary thing is that I simply hate the idea that something created me with the expectation of praise for doing so.
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Posted: February 08 2011 at 10:27
I could go into tons of reasons why I'm an atheist, but the primary thing is that I simply hate the idea that something created me with the expectation of praise for doing so. It's also a matter that I want there to be just the universe and that's it, or at least no god pulling the strings behind the veil. That's what will keep me from ever converting to a religion, I hope. I had my time of evaluation, and my mind is made. I'm not going to make a point of shattering all I believe in an Neil Morse-ing it up just because someone has a keen knowledge of a dusty old book or a perceived foundational hole in a scientific theory. It's done.
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Posted: February 08 2011 at 08:36
Henry Plainview wrote:
I think that everybody agrees spending should be cut, at least on the ground. In Washington, it might a different story, since people tend to get outraged when the abstract ideas of cutting programs starts to affect them, and Washington is foremost beholden to the elections. The disagreement is whether or not it's a good idea to slash spending in a recession and what exactly should be cut.
When I'm going through a personal recession, I usually cut how much I spend. I don't see why it's so hard to see for a country too.
"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
The first novel I wrote is called Tolerance. It deals with an alien race among US people. This alien race is inherently inept and stupid, yet the United States government requires that teachers and other federally-funded entities cater to them and help them thrive, despite the havoc that doing so causes.
Is that...racist?
Nope. The aliens are a different species, not a different race.
Talk about intrusive government! We all knew about "The Rent is too Damn High" guy? Well I thought he was some nutcase spewing one line. Wondering how, as governor of NY if he won, could you do anything about lowering rent.
It gets much much worse...apparently he had some type of plan after all. One that sounds horrifying IF I can ever grasp what he's getting at. Regardless, it's pretty hilarious. THIS WILL BE OUR PRESIDENT IN 2012
I THINK he's advocating some type of communism. A take over of the government, or at least putting all the government's money to the poor. He apparently thinks Obama has set things up for this and he's the last key. No need to pay tuition? Under Obama it's already paid for?
Oh dear more than a nutcase, he may not even be living in this reality....
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