Libertarian Thread #2: We Shall Never Die!

Epignosis wrote: The move toward Libertarianism is like getting rid of one's faith in a security blanket laden with smallpox. The government may make people feel secure, but it offers no real security, and in truth can be incredibly harmful.

A question: if a government applies subsidies and incomes so that goods are produced for low income people, wouldn't these goods decidedly suck? They don't have to really compete for the poor people's attention but are one of their only choices and also even if they don't succeed in the market, they still can generate some benefit for the companies since Government is paying them or cutting their taxes. So in the end doesn't that mean the poor people get access to cheap, bad-produced goods? If the market is there to be gained by competition alone, wouldn't the quality of these low income products that HP's teacher talks about improve? 

^That makes a lot of sense... 

The T wrote: A question: if a government applies subsidies and incomes so that goods are produced for low income people, wouldn't these goods decidedly suck? They don't have to really compete for the poor people's attention but are one of their only choices and also even if they don't succeed in the market, they still can generate some benefit for the companies since Government is paying them or cutting their taxes. So in the end doesn't that mean the poor people get access to cheap, bad-produced goods? If the market is there to be gained by competition alone, wouldn't the quality of these low income products that HP's teacher talks about improve?

The very fact that low income products increase in quality should show that her idea is wrong.

And we all now how silly labels are, even though they are good in general terms.
When we get into anarcho-communist and socialist libertarian and right-left etc is when it gets a bit much.

I do want to see how the Reps respond to the Tea Party. No conservative could probably say we need cuts in defense spending. The Reps may not be AS big government as the Dems, but not so far off...
I'm not talking about people like you guys, but I DO think a large amount are jumping on this libertarian bandwagon and without doubt our politicians are.

Can Reps maintain the wave? Will they be absorbed into the limited government tide or splinter the party?

The T wrote: JJLehto wrote: Equality 7-2521 wrote: I think T will overtake Llama soon as my number 2. At least they will be on the same level. Of course you will always be limited government king. Fear not All you have to fear is fear itself... Beware. Be very aware.

Be wary, be all that you can be, be killed in a pointless foreign war or




Edited by Slartibartfast - February 04 2011 at 23:05

JJLehto wrote: And we all now how silly labels are, even though they are good in general terms. When we get into anarcho-communist and socialist libertarian and right-left etc is when it gets a bit much. I do want to see how the Reps respond to the Tea Party. No conservative could probably say we need cuts in defense spending. The Reps may not be AS big government as the Dems, but not so far off...I'm not talking about people like you guys, but I DO think a large amount are jumping on this libertarian bandwagon and without doubt our politicians are. Can Reps maintain the wave? Will they be absorbed into the limited government tide or splinter the party?

Neocons will try to keep control. Big corporate lovers will do the same. They can't kill government. They need it. They say they hate it but they love it too. The tea party may have some libertarian element but what I've seen is a lot of uninformed people who would easily fall into the biggest contradictions. A libertarian movement should be branded as such, carry the flag of liberty, not a ridiculous name that might bring back memories of an event in the past but that nowadays doesn't mean anything at all but is a perfect butt for jokes. And, sadly, when people like Palin and Beck are associated with the tea party, and libertarianism is associated with the tea party, it doesn't do it any favor. Mama Grizzly is not an anti-government crusader but a money and fame hungry control freak; Beck loves ratings (which he's losing) and neither project an image of "oh, well, maybe this libertarian thing is not just for insane people after all".

By the way, biggest news shocker of the recent decade: I won't vote in primaries since I won't affiliate to any party. But if quite the biggest miracle since the split of the red sea occurs, I'm voting for R. Paul, whom I liked even when I branded myself a leftie. Now I actually understand him.

^Damn... I'm not even sure how it is in FL but I'll learn soon enough...

PA doesn't really figure into the Presidential primary process and close primaries for Senate, Governor, Congressman are rare.  I mean, unless you're Snarlin' Arlen.

Edited by manofmystery - February 05 2011 at 09:14

Just so I don't derail the atheist thread, (we wouldn't want that now.....)
Another name I can add to the list of "leftists I hate"

Bill Maher
Screw that guy....seriously seeing him fills me with rage.
He's on there with Ed Schultz, Maddow, and increasingly Olbermann
See? I am fair. If I think you are an a****le or a blowhard, you are regardless of belief!