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NecronCommander 
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Prog Metal Team Joined: September 17 2009 Location: Madison, WI Status: Offline Points: 16122 |
 Posted: January 19 2011 at 13:19 |
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I shoot competition rifle and trap, though the former I've only done once, and not with a rifle of my own. I only own a 12 gauge (which I don't currently have since they're not allowed in the dorms), but I really want to shoot rifles more often. The price of ammunition and the communist attitude towards weapons here makes it difficult to justify a purchase just for recreational shooting, though. A friend of our family who I shoot with a lot has a veritable armory in his basement: Armalites, WWII rifles, Glocks, a Taurus .44, you name it. I've probably shot them all too.
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Equality 7-2521
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Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
Posted: January 19 2011 at 13:19 |
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Yes I also need to learn how to shoot at some point in my life. I can't stage a bloody coup without basic ability to wield an AK-47.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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The T
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: January 19 2011 at 13:13 |
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I just have to go to a shooting range and learn how to shoot though... (as a good southamerican guns weren't really shown me when I was a kid
 ). Right now I would be quite capable, if with a gun and if in need to use it, of producing harmful evidence against libertarianism and in favor of gun control  I want one to protect my future family. Edited by The T - January 19 2011 at 13:14 |
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NecronCommander
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Prog Metal Team Joined: September 17 2009 Location: Madison, WI Status: Offline Points: 16122 |
Posted: January 19 2011 at 13:12 |
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Reminds me though that I haven't been shooting in months now.
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Equality 7-2521
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Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
Posted: January 19 2011 at 13:07 |
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WE R AWWWWSUM
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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The T
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: January 19 2011 at 13:02 |
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One I can side with 100% now...
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NecronCommander
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Prog Metal Team Joined: September 17 2009 Location: Madison, WI Status: Offline Points: 16122 |
Posted: January 19 2011 at 13:01 |
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Oh sweet, an aspect of libertarianism I can side with.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: January 19 2011 at 12:59 |
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An American Experiment in Anarcho-Capitalism: The Not So Wild, Wild West |
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: January 19 2011 at 12:58 |
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As with any other good, there's no reason private citizens shouldn't be able to own it. Prohibitions don't stop goods from entering into the market place. Restrictions only hurt those who chose to follow the law. People that turn out to be the defenders much more than being the aggressors. I support guns in schools, on airplanes, on trains, on boats, in coats, in box, with a fox, in the house, with a mouse. I support them here or there. I support them anywhere. |
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Epignosis
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32524 |
Posted: January 19 2011 at 12:57 |
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GUNS FOR EVERYONE |
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stonebeard
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Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
Posted: January 19 2011 at 12:53 |
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Criminals will get guns if they want them, so I believe most citizens should be allowed to have them in their homes. I'm a bit perturbed at the notion that everyone carrying guns will make us safer. Sure we'll be able to defend ourselves, but I think a lot of people would get itchy trigger fingers and be jumpy. Not going that far. The Wild West isn't exactly a paragon of civility to aspire to. |
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NecronCommander
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Prog Metal Team Joined: September 17 2009 Location: Madison, WI Status: Offline Points: 16122 |
Posted: January 19 2011 at 12:48 |
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Hey libertarians, sorry to interject, but out of curiosity, where do we all stand on gun control?
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The T
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: January 19 2011 at 12:46 |
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 It's quite obvious actually... |
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Equality 7-2521
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Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
Posted: January 19 2011 at 12:36 |
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Yeah T it's a shame. People are able to win these arguments just from ignorance. Actually it's worse than ignorance because people firmly believe the false story. I agree with your psychological analysis. Fear drives most of our policies. It's more noticeable in foreign policy, but the same mechanism drives the economic policy.
A system of multiple currencies does tend to be a little tricky. Usually the market will chose once currency, but if multiple are chosen you can think of different objects as different denominations. Silver and Gold were used concurrently, just with one ounce of silver being worth less goods than one ounce of gold. One thing that doesn't work is having a fiat money mixed with a true money. This is why the government doesn't issue $10 gold coins for example. It doesn't work because the gold is assigned an arbitrary value by government, but the gold has a real value as a true currency. There's a saying that 'bad money drives out good' commonly referred to by Gresham's Law. Basically people will hoard the gold coins and only use the fiat money for purchases. The reason being that the value of the fiat money is at the whim of government. Fiat money doesn't serve as a store of value (a technical definition of a money) so it is spent. The $10 gold coin does serve as a store of value, so it will be hoarded rather than spent when fiat money is available. EDIT: Yeah and Pat pointed out the most obvious example. Duh how'd I miss that. Edited by Equality 7-2521 - January 19 2011 at 12:37 |
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Padraic
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 16 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Status: Offline Points: 31169 |
Posted: January 19 2011 at 12:34 |
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I don't understand - such a system exists globally. Entities exist to exchange one currency for another at specified rates of exchange. Such is how it would be in a single country or society with multiple currencies.
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The T
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: January 19 2011 at 12:25 |
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Yes, I also saw flaws in the article but it's so difficult to destroy rhetoric when your knowledge of certain areas is limited. You are capable of debunking those points because you have your history and economics straight, but the average person? Quite difficult. As I said before, the idea of the over-protective Mommy State (as opposed to MOMmy state
) seems safer, like a return to childhood for people, to the part of childhood where you had safety that no matter what happened, your mom was going to take care of you. This is in conflict with the crisis that one experiences when one wants to break free and be oneself. Maybe deep socialism has strong connections with how the person surpasses this stages. Finding these articles and debunking them is important. As stupid or exaggerated as they might be, they are the ones that appeal to people. The ones based on pure logic and crude numbers, filled of harsh truths, are less appealing. These are the ones that first have to be taken care of. I still have problems imagining a system with multiple currencies though... How does that work in practice? I'll read Rothbard after I finish Hayek, by the way. It seems from what I read that he's much more descriptive of a hypothetical libertarian society..
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Equality 7-2521
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Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
Posted: January 19 2011 at 12:14 |
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Yeah. Libertarians are the only one who talk about a gold standard.
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Padraic
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 16 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Status: Offline Points: 31169 |
Posted: January 19 2011 at 12:08 |
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Plus I'm sure libertarians don't object to currency itself, just fiat currencies and manipulation of the supply by a state.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: January 19 2011 at 12:06 |
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It would just make it illegal. It's already illegal to use non-dollars for certain transactions I believe.
Back in the depression it was made illegal to use the price of gold in contracts. I think JFK repealed that though. |
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Padraic
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Honorary Collaborator Joined: February 16 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Status: Offline Points: 31169 |
Posted: January 19 2011 at 12:04 |
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The government would demand something else besides dollars if no one was using them.
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