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The T
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Posted: January 14 2011 at 10:47 | ||
Excellent. This is what I was looking for. Yes, my decision was leaning to Hayek, though I hope he writes with no accent . I can't believe I'm right now in a political theory class and I'm making quite a few comments that would make some people here happy and that would horrify The T's 1998-2000 version...
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Epignosis
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Posted: January 14 2011 at 10:47 | ||
THE BEER IS TOO DAMN HIGH
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The T
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Posted: January 14 2011 at 10:49 | ||
Use that line, and the presidential run is back on track...
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manofmystery
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 26 2008 Location: PA, USA Status: Offline Points: 4335 |
Posted: January 14 2011 at 11:51 | ||
Hey guys, I found a cute girl that loves Hayek:
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Time always wins. |
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thellama73
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Posted: January 14 2011 at 20:51 | ||
Oh wow, I've missed a lot. I spent the holidays with family and away from my computer and the sheer number of posts I would have to catch up on has deterred me from returning, but now I'm back! How's it going folks?
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The T
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Posted: January 14 2011 at 22:04 | ||
Things are going well here. There have been interesting developments. Now with you, the thread is complete (JLocke seems to have disappeared forever). As you will notice, too much asking got my head jump started...
A question: what is the though about intellectual right laws and inheritance? The thing is, let's say guy X invents something or writes a book. I assume we agree he should benefit for life for it? Unless he gives away his rights. But what if he dies? Should his heirs continue to benefit? When could this work/invention be in the public domain (IF there's such a thing)? I've been starting to read Hayek now. I was considering the famous PA question which made Rob turn me into a slaverer. I'm ready to say I see things how they are now. I'll talk about that later on. |
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: January 15 2011 at 00:16 | ||
I thought you was dead dog. Glad to see you back.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: January 15 2011 at 00:19 | ||
Yeah JLocke told me he was leaving the site. He won't be back according to what he told me. I'm too drunk to comment fully, but I don't believe in IP as they stand, mostly because they require a government to enforce. There's quite a bit written in the libertarian area about IP, you can find some books for free on mises.org regarding anti-IP law.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: January 15 2011 at 00:21 | ||
Cute is a stretch. I'd say bang-able is more realistic.
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Hanyou
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 02 2010 Location: North Carolina Status: Offline Points: 101 |
Posted: January 15 2011 at 00:26 | ||
I'm new to the forums, but it's great to see that there are libertarians here. Libertarians can be pretty marginalized...never expected to see so many in one place outside of an explicitly libertarian site.
Then again, this is the internet :P I am not sure if I am ready to wholeheartedly embrace libertarianism and all it means, but I am a minarchist. I probably fall somewhere between Goldwater conservative and pure libertarian, but I value libertarian justifications more than conservative ones (which make no sense to me, to be honest). The trouble I have is when libertarians argue that we have no natural right to privacy or that government should not enforce laws regarding privacy. I know Rothbard made arguments like this, and, like many of his other arguments, I doubt I'll ever agree. So yeah. I might be conservative, I might be libertarian, but I know I have deep respect for libertarian philosophy. Agree with many of the premises, but not always the conclusions.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: January 15 2011 at 00:44 | ||
Welcome to the forum. I've read a lot of Rothbard and I'm not sure I know what you mean about his anti-privacy stance. Of course, in a fully free society, the right to privacy reduces to the right one has to their property, but I've never heard him argue against privacy in a state of where government exists.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Hanyou
Forum Senior Member Joined: November 02 2010 Location: North Carolina Status: Offline Points: 101 |
Posted: January 15 2011 at 00:58 | ||
http://mises.org/rothbard/ethics/sixteen.asp It's hard to tell from this document alone exactly how far Rothbard's belief that there is no right to privacy stretches, but this isn't the only document addressing it (I'll have to seek a couple others out tomorrow). I've gotten into arguments with libertarians before about whether, for example, a video of an act which involved the invasion of privacy of the victim should be illegal. Most libertarians I've met say it shouldn't, since the video itself has no moral status and no one should be obligated to direct their eyes away from anything--they are, after all, simply utilizing their own property. So distribution of a video documenting any illegal act, including a violation of privacy, should be legal by that logic. I'll go into my arguments if necessary, but I'm curious as to whether some of the libertarians in this thread agree. I hate jumping in on this topic, because it's extreme--it involves emotional issues, if you take it as far as it will go, and it leads to the assumption that those of us who advocate privacy rights advocate them simply for these emotional reasons. That might play a part, but I believe privacy is a part of property, and not just in cases like the one Rothbard outlined. An unlibertarian assumption? Quite possibly. But like I said, I'm curious to see what others think. I know IP's a contentious question for libertarians, and it was addressed earlier. This might fall into the same category. Since I do believe limited government is acceptable, I'm obviously for enforcing what I believe to be natural privacy rights (and yes, yes, I KNOW it is not necessary to presume natural law in order to advocate libertarianism). Anarchism is a different animal, but an anarcho-capitalist society wouldn't necessarily be lawless--I would still see justification for confiscation of property which depicted a violation of a victim's privacy rights. Again, I admit this post is quick and not as good as it could be. Just wanted to flesh out my major contention with libertarianism a bit. I'm not expecting any answers, just explaining.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: January 15 2011 at 01:05 | ||
I agree with Rothbard's assessment in that that quote. Like I said, you right to privacy derives solely from your right to your property. Anything outside of that I really see an an invalid application of rights.
I'm a little curious. Why is confiscation of property justified by government, but by no other institution in your mind?
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Hanyou
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Posted: January 15 2011 at 01:07 | ||
Ah, I never said confiscation of property was not justified by any other institution. Indeed, government action can only be justifiable if the same action were justifiable for another institution/individual.
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stonebeard
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Posted: January 15 2011 at 01:10 | ||
Maybe if she cut the glasses and got a different hair cut. Now she's beyond bookish. |
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manofmystery
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 26 2008 Location: PA, USA Status: Offline Points: 4335 |
Posted: January 15 2011 at 02:01 | ||
I like glasses on a chick
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Epignosis
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Posted: January 15 2011 at 07:12 | ||
I'm a conservative libertarian. And welcome! From where do you hail in NC? |
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thellama73
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Posted: January 15 2011 at 07:19 | ||
Our number increases by the day! |
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Epignosis
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32524 |
Posted: January 15 2011 at 07:29 | ||
Happy new year, llama.
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The T
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Posted: January 15 2011 at 20:10 | ||
Epiphany
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