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stonebeard
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Posted: January 13 2011 at 01:08 | ||||
I got bored after 4 questions in that thing. I don't know much about economics, and I get the feeling that kind of makes the test pointless anyway. I'm really socially libertarian, though, so I'll make it an even 50% libertarian.
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Equality 7-2521
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
Posted: January 13 2011 at 06:22 | ||||
33%
Libertarianism has a foreign policy too foo
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Equality 7-2521
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
Posted: January 13 2011 at 13:40 | ||||
I'm doing this orientation right now for new students. I just heard the person from financial aid recommend that a student take out loans to pay for their classes even if they have the money to pay for it.
This is absolutely ridiculous. |
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horsewithteeth11
Prog Reviewer Joined: January 09 2008 Location: Kentucky Status: Offline Points: 24598 |
Posted: January 13 2011 at 17:36 | ||||
Finally took that test.
Your score is...
I'll assume you meant "even if they don't have the money to pay for it". In which case I agree wholeheartedly. |
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: January 13 2011 at 17:46 | ||||
Nice score brah. You're coming to my side.
No I mean even if they have the money to pay for it, but I see your confusion. The antecedent of 'it' in my sentence was 'their classes' and not 'their loans'. With the latter I agree with your rewording. The dude said "Should I take out a loan to pay for my classes? I have a good job so I can afford to pay for them out of pocket." To which the lady replied, "Well you shouldn't do that. The interest on the loan is only 6% so it hardly matters. It's better to just take out the loan." |
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Henry Plainview
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 26 2008 Location: Declined Status: Offline Points: 16715 |
Posted: January 13 2011 at 18:23 | ||||
David, you should have more faith in Pat not making typos!
6% interest is a lot, wtf does anybody understand money.
Then stonie is 50% Libertarian because as I recall he's fairly isolationist, although he would probably clash with you on foreign aid. |
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: January 13 2011 at 18:31 | ||||
Isolationist and giving foreign aid don't really mix.
I like the Twain sig btw big H. |
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Henry Plainview
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 26 2008 Location: Declined Status: Offline Points: 16715 |
Posted: January 13 2011 at 19:21 | ||||
You can be isolationist about military involvements in foreign countries while still supporting charity. That's not the full, libertarian isolationism but that's still something.
Thank you, it's from his autobiography, which I want to read now although it is so so long. |
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: January 13 2011 at 19:29 | ||||
There's not much of a difference between putting your troops in an area or funding the government, and thus the military, of a country in the area.
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stonebeard
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
Posted: January 13 2011 at 21:20 | ||||
Oh...well I'm slightly interventionist, if the situation calls for it, but I think we could just gtfo of 90% of the crap we get involved in. Plus that defense budget is just unconscionable. So I'll make it 55% libertarian, assuming I'm totally economically retarded, which could be true. |
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stonebeard
Forum Senior Member Joined: May 27 2005 Location: NE Indiana Status: Offline Points: 28057 |
Posted: January 13 2011 at 21:22 | ||||
wat Also, Samuel Clemens was a straight baller, yo. Edited by stonebeard - January 13 2011 at 21:23 |
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horsewithteeth11
Prog Reviewer Joined: January 09 2008 Location: Kentucky Status: Offline Points: 24598 |
Posted: January 13 2011 at 21:22 | ||||
I was going to say something witty about that, but Henry already did. |
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The T
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: January 14 2011 at 00:50 | ||||
Ok Shields and people (where the hell is Llama by the way?), I have been researching online and want to read some good books on liberty, freedom, capitalism, and all of this. I see well-regarded books by authors like Hoppe, Mises, Hayek, Rothbard, Browne, etc. Talk to me people, talk to me.
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manofmystery
Forum Senior Member Joined: January 26 2008 Location: PA, USA Status: Offline Points: 4335 |
Posted: January 14 2011 at 01:13 | ||||
I'm a big fan of Hayek, myself.
I hardly ever read and I only scored 131 on the test, though, so what do I know?
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Time always wins. |
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Epignosis
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32524 |
Posted: January 14 2011 at 06:24 | ||||
As much as I read, I have never read a single political book. Nor a book written by a politician, for that matter. I realize this is prejudice, but my gut tells me that books on politics and by politicians will be very clumsy reads and long and drawn out. I'm sure there are brilliant exceptions though, but I couldn't tell you where to look. My political reading exclusively involves articles- they are shorter, to the point, and if they are on the Internet, are easier to verify by checking facts and sources. |
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: January 14 2011 at 08:16 | ||||
I tend not to read anything written by a politician since I don't like any politicians save one. |
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Equality 7-2521
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
Posted: January 14 2011 at 08:28 | ||||
If you really want to read about serious, free-market economics, read Mises. He also wrote some scything attacks of socialism (book of the same name). Hayek continued on Mises work with monetary theory and specifically the theory of the business cycle. He was a bit less extreme than Mises, probably why he won a Nobel prize and Mises didn't. He might be your best place to start. He actually shows some sympathy for government welfare programs. Rothbard is closest to my political philosophy. I'm a huge fan of everything he writes. He has a great style. In structure it's very clean and logical like a math paper (his BS was in Mathematics), but he keeps things informal with the language. He wrote a great book, The Ethics of Liberty: A Libertarian Manifesto, available for free here. Hoppe was a student of Rothbard, and apparently introduced a moral structure from economic axioms. I don't know much about his writings. I can't stand the way he writes. He just seems to ramble and ramble. He's written some good articles critiquing the notion that police services and the military are a public good. Those are quite good. One not on your list is Walter Block. I would call him the preeminent living Anarcho-Capitalist scholar. He's a converted socialist himself and has written many, many articles about libertarian law. He wrote a very good book, "Defending the Indefensible", where he makes free market cases for litterers, prostitutes, scalpers, etc. If you go to http://www.mises.org, under the literature and media tabs you will find tons of articles, books, lectures, and seminars available for free. They also have some nice blog contributes. I would recommend you start there and look for some free material. Hayek's "The Road to Serfdom", or either of the two books I mentioned above might be a good place to start reading. |
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Epignosis
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: December 30 2007 Location: Raeford, NC Status: Offline Points: 32524 |
Posted: January 14 2011 at 08:30 | ||||
If I entered politics would that change anything? |
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Equality 7-2521
Forum Senior Member Joined: August 11 2005 Location: Philly Status: Offline Points: 15784 |
Posted: January 14 2011 at 08:37 | ||||
I would like two, but still probably only vote for one. |
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The T
Special Collaborator Honorary Collaborator Joined: October 16 2006 Location: FL, USA Status: Offline Points: 17493 |
Posted: January 14 2011 at 10:45 | ||||
There goes your presidential run Robert...
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