Opinions on why some don't like prog metal?

It's the noise--the volume--the blasting apart of the space between notes that help define beauty in music. I need those spaces, room for the subtleties and incidentals to be able to make themselves heard. 

moshkito wrote:   stonebeard wrote: 2) The lyrics are often really pretentious or really cheesy. I like Pain of Salvation because most of the time Gildenlocks keeps the lyrics personal, interpersonal, and relatable. other times you get "The Dark Eternal Night" or some philosophical crap. No thanks. Artists aren't usually the go-to guys for philosophy. Are you suggesting that all musicians out there are uneducated and stupid and could not possibly have one iota of philosophy in their work?   If I have an issue with it, is that a lot of these lyrics are not intelligent enough, and many of these people are just writing "songs" yet again ... and they do not have the cultural and schooling, to do anything more than just another rock'n'roll song ...   But to suggest that some folks can not create anything with it ... is sad ... and is a gross generalization. There are very good writers out there, in all facets of music ... and many times they are way more philosophical than most stuff you read in the class at your local pissing hole ... ooooppppsss ... school!

I'm not suggesting that all musicians out there are uneducated enough to make philosophically-themed works, but I am directly telling you most musicians who try better do it from an artistic and purposefully whimsical standpoint, because they just plain don't have the philosophical balls to take the hard-nosed approach and do it right.

Peter Hammill is sometimes an exception.

There is no reason why music and philosophy can't intermingle, but in my perspective philosophy needs time and room to breath, and lyrics almost always only make a shallow cut.

I don't really know what institution you learned  at, if you did, but no musician ever ever ever come close to being as good a philosopher than...proactically any well-known and popular philosopher. You probably only say that because you're upset I called artists out on their poncing around topics they can't hope to compare to in song format.

Mr. Maestro wrote: Some people just don't like metal, period.  I'm not one of them, but I know people who cannot find heavy riffage, intense vocals, grim lyrics, and self-indulgent instrumental work appealing no matter how progressive it is.

To me, it was an interesting idea combining progressive music with heavy metal but the end result just didnt catch me. to me u can create a lot more interesting ideas and concepts with rock that u cant with metal. i like bands like Dream Theater Queensryche and Spock's Beard but most of the time it doesnt interest me.

For me its not the Loudness or Heavyness, its the style.

Because there are only two kinds of music: Country and Western.

Baggra wrote:

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Because what I heard of prog metal is mostly metal with some arrangements. I had no chance to listen to something else than prog metal that looks entirely like pure metal with sounds of the 80's.

I was used to listen in 1995-2004 a few bands like Dream Theather, Nighwish, and Stratovarious, and other power Metal band, because i miss so much the sound and the keyboards of the '80, and in those band that sound was present, although a bit much heavier. So it's true that the Prog Metal and Power Metal has their influences on the '80 style of pop metal with the symphonic keyboards, but since 6 years i hate prog metal because is very very boring and it's calculated. That i hate more of prog metal is the heavy riffage of guitar and the speedy of the solo.

Maybe only Queensryche was a good way to do prog Metal!


Edited by Aragon - March 20 2011 at 10:20

I haven't checked out too much prog metal yet, including a Dream Theater album, and the qualm I have with that album is that the music gets very overblown and pretensious and technical. Nothing wrong with those things, I do sorta like Scenes from a Memory. Opeth is pretty cool, very moody and skilled as well.