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Earendil 
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 Posted: December 11 2010 at 19:46 |
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I personally am looking forward to the change. As great of a drummer as Mike is, he has definitely led Dream Theater towards a more riff-based, repetitive metal sound that lacks much depth. And I agree, it's not like anybody died, just taking a break. I'll be looking forward to the next DT album.
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CCVP
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Posted: December 11 2010 at 20:33 |
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The Classic Rock Presents: Prog issue of December is all about the DT drama. Quite interesting stuff, including exclusive interviews with the band members. I red a preview of Rudess' intervew and according to him Portnoy was trying to control the band. I'm dying to buy that magazine.
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maani
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Posted: December 12 2010 at 17:37 |
I guess I'm in the minority here. I have DT's entire oeuvre, and know it as well as anyone. Yet I felt Octavarium was one of their weakest efforts, despite parts of Root, and the amazing Panic Attack. And I felt that their last two albums (Systematic Chaos and Black Clouds) were not just better, but moving in a truly magnificent direction, which I hoped they would continue. That is, unlike some here, I felt that band was "progressing" - though I can understand if some feel that they were progressing in an unexpected direction.
As for Portnoy, given that he was a founding member of the band, contributed some excellent compositions, and is almost unarguably one of the best drummers in rock history, this is not simply "a drummer leaving a band." He was as responsible for the "sound" of DT as anyone else, and we would not even be discussing this if he had not helped DT to achieve the reputation and accolades that they have gotten - and richly deserve.
And although I will certainly be rooting for the band to continue in greatness, I, for one, believe that his departure will damage the band irreparably, and that their demise may occur within the next two albums.
Peace.
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stonebeard
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Posted: December 12 2010 at 22:12 |
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^ I disagree.
Rudess and Petrucci are compositional maelstroms. Petrucci has expressed a desire to take up the slack in communicating with fans and putting the band out there. And in my mind I'm glad we'll have at least some reprieve from his slouching and uninteresting AA saga and horrid vocal contributions. I'm hoping against hope they'll make another Falling into Infinity. The band can do lighter songs so well and this darkness is wearing sooooo thin. But the next will probably be just as dark so blech.
Edited by stonebeard - December 12 2010 at 22:13
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Tapfret
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Posted: December 12 2010 at 22:27 |
 stonebeard wrote:
... I'm hoping against hope they'll make another Falling into Infinity...
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Pekka
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Posted: December 12 2010 at 22:36 |
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i'm guessing still no word on his replacement then?
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I'm not going to try to find an English source right now, but a usually reliable Finnish rock mag quoted Petrucci as saying they have chosen the new guy, but aren't announcing his name just yet. They're entering studio in January and are "extremely enthusiastic" about the new guy.
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The Quiet One
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Posted: December 12 2010 at 22:54 |
stonebeard wrote:
^ I disagree.
Rudess and Petrucci are compositional maelstroms. Petrucci has expressed a desire to take up the slack in communicating with fans and putting the band out there. And in my mind I'm glad we'll have at least some reprieve from his slouching and uninteresting AA saga and horrid vocal contributions. I'm hoping against hope they'll make another Falling into Infinity. The band can do lighter songs so well and this darkness is wearing sooooo thin. But the next will probably be just as dark so blech.
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 Entirely agree, but like you, I doubt they will make another similar in type 'Falling Into Infinity' (my favorite DT album). If only the band would think of writing different songs rather than using previous structures and "creating" from there...
James needs to sing once again as he did in the 90s, Petrucci needs to stop making so many riffs and rapid solos, Jordan needs to add more jazzy overtones, Myung should grab a fretless and the new drummer should be a non-metalhead.
And I need to shut up. 
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keiser willhelm
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Posted: December 13 2010 at 01:29 |
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he sounded like a giant douche/baby in his letter posted on their website, making a bunch of veiled comments, throwing up his hands saying 'well i tried but they wouldnt have any of it". ive done everything. led the band. overseen everything. wah wah wah.
ive never been a portnoy fan and have not liked dream theater for a while now but i am actually excited to hear what they'll turn out with some fresh blood. maybe they'll shed that tired 'heavy metal' thing they've been doing for a while now and churn out something musical.
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arcane-beautiful
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Posted: December 13 2010 at 05:01 |
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You summed up my point exactly, they have been a bit of a repetitive metal band since 2006. Hopefully the songs won't be as long and overblows, and maybe go back to some of the technical mastery shown on Train Of Though
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arcane-beautiful
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Posted: December 13 2010 at 05:02 |
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yes, he was a bit of a wee baby or a spoil brat...leave the band, stop whining and move on...
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Posted: December 13 2010 at 05:03 |
Pekka wrote:
topographicbroadways wrote:
i'm guessing still no word on his replacement then?
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I'm not going to try to find an English source right now, but a usually reliable Finnish rock mag quoted Petrucci as saying they have chosen the new guy, but aren't announcing his name just yet. They're entering studio in January and are "extremely enthusiastic" about the new guy. |
Yes this is true, and I check their wikipedia everyday. I have a feeling it's Mike Manginni, he's a good friend of the band and even played drums in some of James solo stuff. Their is also that Extreme connection
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arcane-beautiful
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Posted: December 13 2010 at 05:06 |
I know I'm saying alot here, but it's worth it...
I hope John Myung gets back to lyric writing....and maybe even Jordan having a go, cause I've heard some of his solo stuff and some of his experimental vocal manipulatiions (check out Undercover Scientist on You Tube).
Learning To Live is real poetry, I've got nothing against Petrucci, but his lyrics are failing, and they were so good back in the day.
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arcane-beautiful
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Posted: December 13 2010 at 05:08 |
The Quiet One wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
^ I disagree.
Rudess and Petrucci are compositional maelstroms. Petrucci has expressed a desire to take up the slack in communicating with fans and putting the band out there. And in my mind I'm glad we'll have at least some reprieve from his slouching and uninteresting AA saga and horrid vocal contributions. I'm hoping against hope they'll make another Falling into Infinity. The band can do lighter songs so well and this darkness is wearing sooooo thin. But the next will probably be just as dark so blech.
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Entirely agree, but like you, I doubt they will make another similar in type 'Falling Into Infinity' (my favorite DT album). If only the band would think of writing different songs rather than using previous structures and "creating" from there...
James needs to sing once again as he did in the 90s, Petrucci needs to stop making so many riffs and rapid solos, Jordan needs to add more jazzy overtones, Myung should grab a fretless and the new drummer should be a non-metalhead.
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James can't sing the way he did in the 90's cause he damaged it from vomiting due to the food poisioning. I think he should sing without hitting very high octaves, cause he's got a great low and smooth middle cleffed tones
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Jim Garten
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Posted: December 13 2010 at 06:18 |
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Jon Lord 1941 - 2012
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Jim Garten
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Posted: December 13 2010 at 06:25 |
That is one of the funniest covers I've seen for a long time (although maybe the orbs in MP's hands should have been replaced by stigmata scars  )- great juxtaposition of 2 quotes at the foot of the page too.
CAVEAT: I'd repeat I am a DT fan, but this is funny!
Edited by Jim Garten - December 13 2010 at 06:33
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Jim Garten
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Posted: December 13 2010 at 06:26 |
arcane-beautiful wrote:
yes, he was a bit of a wee baby or a spoil brat...leave the band, stop whining and move on... |
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: December 13 2010 at 06:36 |
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It's difficult for me to think of an uglier cover on a professional magazine. That looks like it was designed and completed in 10 minutes, tops. Dream Theater is never going to escape the lens flare, are they...
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: December 13 2010 at 08:30 |
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Dear god is that supposed to be a 1950s sci-fi paperback cover or a professional magazine?
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Pekka
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Posted: December 13 2010 at 09:07 |
At least it's not nearly as ridiculously hideous as this one:
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jampa17
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Posted: December 13 2010 at 09:47 |
The Quiet One wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
^ I disagree.
Rudess and Petrucci are compositional maelstroms. Petrucci has expressed a desire to take up the slack in communicating with fans and putting the band out there. And in my mind I'm glad we'll have at least some reprieve from his slouching and uninteresting AA saga and horrid vocal contributions. I'm hoping against hope they'll make another Falling into Infinity. The band can do lighter songs so well and this darkness is wearing sooooo thin. But the next will probably be just as dark so blech.
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Entirely agree, but like you, I doubt they will make another similar in type 'Falling Into Infinity' (my favorite DT album). If only the band would think of writing different songs rather than using previous structures and "creating" from there...
James needs to sing once again as he did in the 90s, Petrucci needs to stop making so many riffs and rapid solos, Jordan needs to add more jazzy overtones, Myung should grab a fretless and the new drummer should be a non-metalhead.
And I need to shut up. |
Agree. I'm not against their metal side of music, I love A Nightmare to Remember and In The Presence of Enemies for example, but back in the 90's, they were experimenting a lot more and not getting too much influenced by other modern bands. Portnoy did awful backing vocals and his lyrics always say the same over and over. While I will miss one of my favourite drummers of all time, it was evident that a change is needed.
Petrucci can share some amazing and touching songs, like Hollow Years, Trial of Tears and Hell's Kitchen and we need something more mellow like that. With a balanced mix of heavy and mellow tracks, I know we will have an amazing album...
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