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Posted: December 10 2010 at 20:56
Starhammer wrote:
Magma is not that tight; in fact, they're quite loose because they improvise a lot; their music is quite flexible.
Not according to Stella.
They are tight, because they rehearse a lot. But they do have moments in the choral score that allows some freedom, and they tend to work with each other, because at times Christian is gone, and you have to stay with him, or Stella is gone off the high voice, and he goes with her. But other than those small parts, in general, most of Magma is very tight and well rehearsed.
The music would not have lasted, or survived, if it wasn't so. And I think that this was the one thing that Christian understood very well about what he created -- although I don't think that he could have done all this by himself ... and that the time and place and people helped provide him with a template ... that is still going strong 40 years later.
Edited by moshkito - December 10 2010 at 20:57
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Posted: December 10 2010 at 22:12
I would go for Gentle Giant. They switch instruments literally at will and keep going on like clockwork. Derek's singing lets them down, but the instrumentation is bang on target.
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Posted: December 11 2010 at 08:36
I'd say Gentle Giant and The Dixie Dregs. Saw both several times and both bands, though quite different, can flat out play and have a lot of fun doing it and were as tight as it gets.
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Posted: December 12 2010 at 06:17
I say Rush are very tight - listen to YYZ for a prime example! But tough to beat ELP and Pictures at an Exhibition - the first 5 minutes are tight as a razorblade.....
I just want to point out that I've never heard Meshuggah play polyrhythms. They just play backbeats. IE, the drums have longer bars that "overflow"into the guitars' next bar. Not really that complex. I'm sure Meshuggah themselves have said as much.
"Polyrhythms" are when you play two rhythms against each other that don't go together normally. Such as playing five in a beat and 4 in a beat at the same time. I don't count 3 over 2 as this is a very simple rhythms. Or even 4 over 3, but anything more complex than that is - such as 3 over 5, 7 over 6 etcetera.
Anyway, yeah, Magma are very tight. So are other Zeuhl bands - Ruins especially. Zappa is probably the tightest though... "Echidna's Arf (Of You)" and "Don't You Ever Wash That Thing?" are two displays of astounding tightness!
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Posted: December 16 2010 at 16:44
Juan Carlos de Mulde wrote:
The tightest musicians I've ever heard are not Progressive Rock musicians. Especially live performances with Drummers like Simon Phillips, Dennis Chambers or Vinnie Colaiuta are really f**kin tight.
1. Toto live with S. Phillips and J. Porcaro (+) I had the opportunity to see them live in 2006. Awesome musicians. Dream Theater are just beginners compared to them.
2. CAB with Dennis Chambers on the drums.
3. John Mclaughlin and Chick Corea (Five Piece Band) with Vinnie Colaiuta
4. John McLaughlin Trio - Live At The Royal Festival Hall
I'm a big fan of Mr. Phillips myself, but Toto? Ouch! La cuenta, por favor. I'll go with the Giant, gently.
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Starhammer wrote:
Derek's singing lets them down, but the instrumentation is bang on target.
