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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 11 2010 at 16:34
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Right now the Republican party relates very weakly to Libertarian ideas. The same can be said of the Democratic party. On the national Congressional level, Ron Paul alone can carry a Libertarian label.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 11 2010 at 13:18
A weak relationship. The Republican party of the early half the century, common termed the 'Old Right', essentially espoused non-Anarchist Libertarian ideas under the label of Republican. Real and genuine efforts existed to cut spending including war-spending, cut taxes, cut the size of government, protect civil and economic rights, and pursue a humble, non-interventionist foreign policy. For a variety of reasons the demographics of the Republican party began to radically change. 

Right now the Republican party relates very weakly to Libertarian ideas. The same can be said of the Democratic party. On the national Congressional level, Ron Paul alone can carry a Libertarian label.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 11 2010 at 13:07
^^^ Yeah true. What is the relationship between the rep party and libertarian ideology? Are there any among the dems?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 11 2010 at 12:12
He's not a Republican; he's a Libertarian elected to the Republican party.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 11 2010 at 11:54
Not sure what to make of Ron Paul. I cant believe he's Republican. I watched his speech to the Tea Party and couldn't disagree with most of it. Politics has certainly moved on.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 11 2010 at 10:37
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 11 2010 at 00:52
Originally posted by horsewithteeth11 horsewithteeth11 wrote:



I don't always agree with Ron Paul, but I always appreciate his gumption.

Of course, in this case, I just agree with him.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2010 at 06:11
Originally posted by Textbook Textbook wrote:

My feeling is that not only are they going to stitch Assange up, they're not even going to be smooth or subtle about it. They will kangaroo court him and not do all that great a job of covering it up on purpose, because they want you to know he's been kangaroo courted in order to intimidate those who might otherwise copy him.


Agree 100%. This has been obvious for some time.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2010 at 05:23
My feeling is that not only are they going to stitch Assange up, they're not even going to be smooth or subtle about it. They will kangaroo court him and not do all that great a job of covering it up on purpose, because they want you to know he's been kangaroo courted in order to intimidate those who might otherwise copy him.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 09 2010 at 05:02
Originally posted by stonebeard stonebeard wrote:

People claim Wikileaks releasing documents could lead to the deaths of American soldiers.

Know what else leads to the death of American soldiers? A decade long unwinnable war in a region that hates us for being there.

Some things it can be dumb for Wikileaks to release (informants' names, spy names, key strategic targets for people to attack if they want to hurt America), but I'm damn pissed off people have the audacity to feign they give a sh*t about the military when they're happy as pigs in sh*t to have an all volunteer force of young boys to go fight for our own imperialistic adventures. Come off it. The don't give a sh*t who dies over there as long as it's not their sons.
Something to consider. Thanks for that point. It clears the air quite a bit for me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 20:11
I don't think I have any gas left in the can for this one Pat, I understand your point well enough.  Still think you're full of poop on the other one though, unless Philly is night and day from here.  Maybe it is, I haven't been there since the 70s. 

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 19:50
Originally posted by Finnforest Finnforest wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Thank you Stoney. The people touting that line act like they give a sh*t about soldiers lives when they send them off nation building in foreign lands for no tangible reason.



@ Pat So people concerned about Wiki or who disagree with it are automatically disingenuous in whatever moral support they may offer the military....another swing and a miss Pat. 

@ Pat/Stone: It's OK for you guys to oppose the wars, but WTF is this leap you both make that people who don't agree with you are automatically callous as regard the soldiers very lives....some might be I'd agree....but your statements of across the board generalizing are no more intellectually impressive than the flag-wavers you criticize.  

1) If you support our foreign policy and complain that Wikileaks could endanger soldiers lives, then you are hypocritical. Home run actually. 

2) Could you explain how it isn't callous? Keeping soldiers engaged in quagmires to be slowly murdered sounds like a careless treatment of life to me.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 18:37
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Thank you Stoney. The people touting that line act like they give a sh*t about soldiers lives when they send them off nation building in foreign lands for no tangible reason.



@ Pat So people concerned about Wiki or who disagree with it are automatically disingenuous in whatever moral support they may offer the military....another swing and a miss Pat. 

@ Pat/Stone: It's OK for you guys to oppose the wars, but WTF is this leap you both make that people who don't agree with you are automatically callous as regard the soldiers very lives....some might be I'd agree....but your statements of across the board generalizing are no more intellectually impressive than the flag-wavers you criticize.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 18:12
Anonymous once again takes the most sane, logical course of action. Good Job on Huffington Post preserving the link, although it seems Pastebin has taken it down.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 17:51
Thank you Stoney. The people touting that line act like they give a sh*t about soldiers lives when they send them off nation building in foreign lands for no tangible reason.

Also, it has been admitted that the first leaks led to the death of absolutely nobody. I'm sure we'll see the same from this one.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 17:38
People claim Wikileaks releasing documents could lead to the deaths of American soldiers.

Know what else leads to the death of American soldiers? A decade long unwinnable war in a region that hates us for being there.

Some things it can be dumb for Wikileaks to release (informants' names, spy names, key strategic targets for people to attack if they want to hurt America), but I'm damn pissed off people have the audacity to feign they give a sh*t about the military when they're happy as pigs in sh*t to have an all volunteer force of young boys to go fight for our own imperialistic adventures. Come off it. The don't give a sh*t who dies over there as long as it's not their sons.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 17:01

Oh no,....what the hell did I say? Busted? Assange turned himself in. Like Walter says to Moshkito....lay off the weed Toddler. One of my buddies was out spoken today and said.....I believe in the cause for Assange but, he needs to be more serious with the information he releases. His release of documents contained worthless crap and is merely just an embarrassment. Apparently H. Clinton didn't think so. Her claim was that the info was risking the lives of military officers and agents.....Who knows?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 15:43
Originally posted by aginor aginor wrote:

are Wikileaks now blocked in USA just wondering, jut read somthing about it on the new
It's been under a DDoS attack for a week or so, Wikileaks.org can't be loaded anywhere. However, you can still view the content here. Julian Assange is doing his best Jimmy Wales impression there, it's equally unnerving.
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Like as if, the rape charge means nothing in the real world other than to be used as a vehicle to proceed in turning him over to the U.S. and further  convicting him of treason or espionage. The rape charge would normally seem rather meaningless to the U.S. justice system considering the recent coverage of the so-called facts.
He's not actually being charged with rape, but I agree, the charge that he's facing would not be taken seriously pretty much anywhere else. The insurance file has been circulating for a while, I'm not sure why people are just now reporting on it, but it would be pretty entertaining if they released the key to it while he was in jail.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 08 2010 at 12:37
He could spend a year in Britain fighting extradition. The 2 women with the sex crime allegations are insisting they have nothing to do with anything political. Anything politcally motivated. Everyone is in question. Limbo.
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