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Points: 15784 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 11 2010 at 12:11
Originally posted by GaryB GaryB wrote:

"If you don't like Socialism then give up your police dept and fire dept."
I have heard this many times from a few musician friends who are liberals. I was under the impression that most libs had no problem with big government. Or do they just want to pick and choose what suits them best.
"Most people follow reasonable laws..."
Do they have the right to ignore laws that they feel are unreasonable? Again, pick and choose.
"GaryB's pessimism about human nature..."
After an earthquake, flood, tornado, etc. looters hit the streets to steal or burn whatever they can. They are not all career criminals. Far too many of them are people who would not normally break a store window and carry off a color TV. But, when they see that law enforcement has it's hands full and they can get away with it, they do it.
 

1) Lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll!!!!!!!!!11111!!!!1!1!1 OMG WHY AM I SUCH A UNPRINCIPLED LIBERAL MY VIEWS ARE SO INCONSISTWNT WiTH MY LOVE OF BIG OVERNMENT

2) If the laws are unjust they of course they do.

3) What you're seeing is the manifestation of a latent supply of looters. What you have is a group of people who are either criminals or marginal criminals. The opportunity for looting created by a natural disaster lowers the opportunity cost of crime so you expect these marginal suppliers to enter the market. What you don't see is a massive conversion of people into criminals. A vast majority of people still choose not to loot. You see mostly the already criminals be criminals, augmented by the people very close to being criminals making the jump to criminal because of a reduction in cost.
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Points: 15784 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 11 2010 at 12:06
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

^I'd love to see Shields in trolling mode... I can imagine he would get banned in about 3 minutes 


I have no idea how I haven't been banned for a handful of things I've done here.



And lol you hate fire fighters? I can see the cops but jeez man. Solely because they are government? Because there's really no reason to dislike them...Confused



It's a service that has traditionally be done for free by volunteers, but big city fire fighters unions have hijacked this public service into one of the biggest con jobs passed onto the taxpayer. They inflate their salaries above any reasonable levels  in a way that only an artificial monopoly can. 

I have no problem with volunteer fire fighters. 
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"If you don't like Socialism then give up your police dept and fire dept."
I have heard this many times from a few musician friends who are liberals. I was under the impression that most libs had no problem with big government. Or do they just want to pick and choose what suits them best.
"Most people follow reasonable laws..."
Do they have the right to ignore laws that they feel are unreasonable? Again, pick and choose.
"GaryB's pessimism about human nature..."
After an earthquake, flood, tornado, etc. looters hit the streets to steal or burn whatever they can. They are not all career criminals. Far too many of them are people who would not normally break a store window and carry off a color TV. But, when they see that law enforcement has it's hands full and they can get away with it, they do it.
 
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Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

trololololo


Oh, and that's another pretty good way to explain my christmas avy LOL
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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Hey Brian I'm really concerned about you for two reasons:

1) You are saying happy holidays now?! The PC thing got to you too!

2) You like St Anger?


I was actually gunna go with Christmahannuhkwanzadan Boxing Winter Solstice Day
Or some crazy sh*t like that, but nah...


And it's my Christmas avy man!
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Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 11 2010 at 00:28
Hey Brian I'm really concerned about you for two reasons:

1) You are saying happy holidays now?! The PC thing got to you too!

2) You like St Anger?
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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

^I'd love to see Shields in trolling mode... I can imagine he would get banned in about 3 minutes 


I have no idea how I haven't been banned for a handful of things I've done here.


I've heard stories.

And lol you hate fire fighters? I can see the cops but jeez man. Solely because they are government? Because there's really no reason to dislike them...Confused

I've said it before, I do like Ron Paul, kind of. Disagreements aside (and I agree with a good number of his positions) he is true to himself, is unwavering and really believes what he says. Rare to see in politics, and while I may not be a huge fan of Ron Paul's America, he does want change. Which few politicians are really willing to do (hardly any actually).

And like Penn & Teller, he does speak a lot of truth.
Remember Teo, Democrats only suck a little less than Republicans LOLCry


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Yo, sorry to go back a page and to unrelated...but Kevin Smith is terrible.

Most people I know like his movies because they ARE mallrats or "ZOMG AWESOME HE FILMED CLERKS IN RED BANK!" Then take pics at the sh*tty little convenience store from the movie.

And yeah, with my most recent job I took the option of having max money now, with the result of a small rebate.
They're giving my own money back to me? I might as well have as much as I can now then...
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Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2010 at 15:41
Oh Ron Paul I'd love you so much more if you weren't a republican
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Originally posted by thellama73 thellama73 wrote:

Most people will follow most reasonable laws without the threat of punishment as motivation. I refrain from stealig because I think stealing is wrong, not because I'm afriad I'll get caught. I don't share GaryB's pessimism about human nature.

Of course, there are exceptions and for that reason I agree that we do need law enforcement. I have thought about privatized law enforcement a lot, but up to now I'm not convinced that it is a good idea. I could be convinced, probably, but so far I haven't been.

Finally, I am not nearly as anti-cop as my good friend Pat. I think most police are good people doing their best at an extremely difficult job. I see the occasional cop run a red light and it pisses me off, but I see far more ambulances and firetrucks do it. Where is the outrage about corrupt firemen?


Ohh I hate firemen too, but they're not as prevalent as cops. They also don't arrest you. So I don't bitch as much.

I agree that law enforcement is needed, but I just like to point out it isn't what keeps the vast majority of people from breaking laws.

You can be for changing the entire culture, a necessary move I believe, which surrounds law enforcement without wanting a private police force.
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Points: 15784 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2010 at 14:57
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

^I'd love to see Shields in trolling mode... I can imagine he would get banned in about 3 minutes 


I have no idea how I haven't been banned for a handful of things I've done here.
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Points: 15784 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2010 at 14:56
Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

 


That ends our lecture for today. Please read Chapters 1-8 in the text.



7 chapters for tomorrow? Fascist! 


Pfft that's nothing. I had to read two books last week for an assignment.
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Most people will follow most reasonable laws without the threat of punishment as motivation. I refrain from stealig because I think stealing is wrong, not because I'm afriad I'll get caught. I don't share GaryB's pessimism about human nature.

Of course, there are exceptions and for that reason I agree that we do need law enforcement. I have thought about privatized law enforcement a lot, but up to now I'm not convinced that it is a good idea. I could be convinced, probably, but so far I haven't been.

Finally, I am not nearly as anti-cop as my good friend Pat. I think most police are good people doing their best at an extremely difficult job. I see the occasional cop run a red light and it pisses me off, but I see far more ambulances and firetrucks do it. Where is the outrage about corrupt firemen?
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Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2010 at 12:51
^I'd love to see Shields in trolling mode... I can imagine he would get banned in about 3 minutes 
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Points: 28057 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2010 at 12:48
Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

irregardless


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Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: December 10 2010 at 12:47
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

 


That ends our lecture for today. Please read Chapters 1-8 in the text.



7 chapters for tomorrow? Fascist! 


Maybe you should drop this class and go back to Math 101.  Tongue

This is 8 chapters, not 7.  Wink

Ouch



Well... even moe so, fascist! Tongue
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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

 


That ends our lecture for today. Please read Chapters 1-8 in the text.



7 chapters for tomorrow? Fascist! 


Maybe you should drop this class and go back to Math 101.  Tongue

This is 8 chapters, not 7.  Wink
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Oh look, another scandal of massive police corruption, and none of the police are willing to admit any problem, at least the administration is trying to do something. The people are arguing that they were convicted falsely, but the police union says their arguments are invalid because they were convicted. Stunning.
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Originally posted by Equality 7-2521 Equality 7-2521 wrote:

 


That ends our lecture for today. Please read Chapters 1-8 in the text.



7 chapters for tomorrow? Fascist! 
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