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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: December 04 2010 at 14:25 |
JJLehto wrote:
That is what they claimed. Going on about how it will be huge, which it will probably will be.
And there was that claim that next year they will release this unimaginably massive, earth shattering leak. I can only make wild guesses at what could be so huge, and imagine if wikileaks is right about it... Maybe the world is ending in 2012, and it'll be their doing! 
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9/11 maybe.
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TODDLER
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Posted: December 05 2010 at 08:10 |
Quote......"We need to be un-American and execute anyone responsible for these leaks getting out"
Christ, I find the un-American aspect to that statement to be insulting. Who are you considering when you say we would be un-American in pulling off such an act? Un-American? Un-American compared to what? Assange not being an on-going mystery to the U.S. and actions not applied by the administration in the past with this creep annoy me personally anyway. Now the U.S. efforts to bust this guy on so-called criminal offenses are considered a political stunt? Don't you find what you read in the press a bit revolting or just plain stupied? The a-hole who has put the lives of children in danger is a journalist and criminalising journalistic activity is the way to go in this case. He is a worm.  And Manning with his Lady Gaga cd? This is insulting press!  He is a traitor for sure but, I have to laugh at the coverage on this geek.....He erased his Gaga cd and downloaded confidential information?  Whistleblowers and Lady Gaga? Assange warns that any goverment that tries to curtail his activities risks triggering a new deluge of state and commercial secrets?  What? You must be joking? What are we talking about here? This is all just good PRESS! Assange needs to be caught anyway regardless of all the pathetic news reports which I personally find repulsive. It's like I'm watching "Saturday Night Live" It's like journalistic geek hiding in the U.K. verses our administration. Stop the press! Do what you have to do! Put Manning to do hard time in a military prison and Assange the rock star can be executed! And then lets get back to the real world and take care of problems that are so much more important.
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progkidjoel
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Posted: December 05 2010 at 08:26 |
Wikileaks and the History Insurance TorrentIt'll be pretty interesting to see how this all turns out.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: December 05 2010 at 08:45 |
Best not to discuss this otherwise we will be extradited or at least renditioned extraordinarily.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Xanatos
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Posted: December 05 2010 at 10:24 |
Cablegate just proves from what i am beign aware since a long time , USA manipulates my loved region of latin america and his goverments , u criminals!!!
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: December 05 2010 at 11:06 |
TODDLER wrote:
Quote......"We need to be un-American and execute anyone responsible for these leaks getting out"
Christ, I find the un-American aspect to that statement to be insulting. Who are you considering when you say we would be un-American in pulling off such an act? Un-American? Un-American compared to what? Assange not being an on-going mystery to the U.S. and actions not applied by the administration in the past with this creep annoy me personally anyway. Now the U.S. efforts to bust this guy on so-called criminal offenses are considered a political stunt? Don't you find what you read in the press a bit revolting or just plain stupied? The a-hole who has put the lives of children in danger is a journalist and criminalising journalistic activity is the way to go in this case. He is a worm.  And Manning with his Lady Gaga cd? This is insulting press!  He is a traitor for sure but, I have to laugh at the coverage on this geek.....He erased his Gaga cd and downloaded confidential information?  Whistleblowers and Lady Gaga? Assange warns that any goverment that tries to curtail his activities risks triggering a new deluge of state and commercial secrets?  What? You must be joking? What are we talking about here? This is all just good PRESS! Assange needs to be caught anyway regardless of all the pathetic news reports which I personally find repulsive. It's like I'm watching "Saturday Night Live" It's like journalistic geek hiding in the U.K. verses our administration. Stop the press! Do what you have to do! Put Manning to do hard time in a military prison and Assange the rock star can be executed! And then lets get back to the real world and take care of problems that are so much more important. |
You do realize Assange has committed no crime? The supreme court has upheld his right to do what he is doing.
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TODDLER
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Posted: December 05 2010 at 17:12 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
TODDLER wrote:
Quote......"We need to be un-American and execute anyone responsible for these leaks getting out"
Christ, I find the un-American aspect to that statement to be insulting. Who are you considering when you say we would be un-American in pulling off such an act? Un-American? Un-American compared to what? Assange not being an on-going mystery to the U.S. and actions not applied by the administration in the past with this creep annoy me personally anyway. Now the U.S. efforts to bust this guy on so-called criminal offenses are considered a political stunt? Don't you find what you read in the press a bit revolting or just plain stupied? The a-hole who has put the lives of children in danger is a journalist and criminalising journalistic activity is the way to go in this case. He is a worm.  And Manning with his Lady Gaga cd? This is insulting press!  He is a traitor for sure but, I have to laugh at the coverage on this geek.....He erased his Gaga cd and downloaded confidential information?  Whistleblowers and Lady Gaga? Assange warns that any goverment that tries to curtail his activities risks triggering a new deluge of state and commercial secrets?  What? You must be joking? What are we talking about here? This is all just good PRESS! Assange needs to be caught anyway regardless of all the pathetic news reports which I personally find repulsive. It's like I'm watching "Saturday Night Live" It's like journalistic geek hiding in the U.K. verses our administration. Stop the press! Do what you have to do! Put Manning to do hard time in a military prison and Assange the rock star can be executed! And then lets get back to the real world and take care of problems that are so much more important. |
You do realize Assange has committed no crime? The supreme court has upheld his right to do what he is doing. |
Why would it be legal in your book? He is a hacker. Is that legal? He is an anarchist with a huge ego. What has Wikileaks done for liberty or democracy?
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TODDLER
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Posted: December 05 2010 at 18:29 |
Even if in fact what we hear in the news media can be summed up or believed as truth, my personal gut feeling is that Assange is opening a portal for evil. Technically has he committed a crime? Maybe not. Maybe the goverment can charge him with espionage? Assange, if any of you have noticed,...is giving orders and making direct threats. If any kind of tragic event were to ever take place and people were to die or suffer greatly ....and all due to a leak out, I would have to hold Manning (of course responsible) but, more so...Assange. I don't think the American people can trust him and it is not in their best interest (even anti-Americans), to see his leaking of secret documents as a form of justice. The guy is evil.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: December 05 2010 at 19:23 |
TODDLER wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
TODDLER wrote:
Quote......"We need to be un-American and execute anyone responsible for these leaks getting out"
Christ, I find the un-American aspect to that statement to be insulting. Who are you considering when you say we would be un-American in pulling off such an act? Un-American? Un-American compared to what? Assange not being an on-going mystery to the U.S. and actions not applied by the administration in the past with this creep annoy me personally anyway. Now the U.S. efforts to bust this guy on so-called criminal offenses are considered a political stunt? Don't you find what you read in the press a bit revolting or just plain stupied? The a-hole who has put the lives of children in danger is a journalist and criminalising journalistic activity is the way to go in this case. He is a worm.  And Manning with his Lady Gaga cd? This is insulting press!  He is a traitor for sure but, I have to laugh at the coverage on this geek.....He erased his Gaga cd and downloaded confidential information?  Whistleblowers and Lady Gaga? Assange warns that any goverment that tries to curtail his activities risks triggering a new deluge of state and commercial secrets?  What? You must be joking? What are we talking about here? This is all just good PRESS! Assange needs to be caught anyway regardless of all the pathetic news reports which I personally find repulsive. It's like I'm watching "Saturday Night Live" It's like journalistic geek hiding in the U.K. verses our administration. Stop the press! Do what you have to do! Put Manning to do hard time in a military prison and Assange the rock star can be executed! And then lets get back to the real world and take care of problems that are so much more important. |
You do realize Assange has committed no crime? The supreme court has upheld his right to do what he is doing. |
Why would it be legal in your book? He is a hacker. Is that legal? He is an anarchist with a huge ego. What has Wikileaks done for liberty or democracy? |
Why would it be legal? It would be legal because it is legal. The supreme court has affirmed this. Sorry if you disagree, but I'm just stating facts. Assange is not a hacker. He is disseminating information which he legally obtained. The leaker is the one who would be able to prosecuted.
He is an anarchist with a huge ego. Last I checked that's no crime.
Now what has Wikileaks done for our liberty. A lot? It's provided concrete evidence of the hubris of our government, the illicit activities it has participated in, shown the massive contradictions in our foreign policy, and detailed the murderous actions of our government abroad. To any honest, knowledgeable person, these things were already painfully obvious, but bringing them into full light gives them new power. A blow to government is a boast to your liberty.
What has it done for democracy? Who the hell cares? But again it has done plenty along the same lines as that above. Our government acts with callous disregard and disdain for its people. If that's the 'democracy' you want to worship then I have little to say to you.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: December 05 2010 at 19:25 |
TODDLER wrote:
Even if in fact what we hear in the news media can be summed up or believed as truth, my personal gut feeling is that Assange is opening a portal for evil. Technically has he committed a crime? Maybe not. Maybe the goverment can charge him with espionage? Assange, if any of you have noticed,...is giving orders and making direct threats. If any kind of tragic event were to ever take place and people were to die or suffer greatly ....and all due to a leak out, I would have to hold Manning (of course responsible) but, more so...Assange. I don't think the American people can trust him and it is not in their best interest (even anti-Americans), to see his leaking of secret documents as a form of justice. The guy is evil. |
Your position is moronic. Opening a portal to evil? Wtf is he a necromancer? What evil does he invite?
You're so ready to hang Assange, so let me ask you something. Have you ever mentioned any of the info that was in the leaks to anybody? If so you should be ready to hang yourself. Assange has done nothing except spread information that he legally obtained. If you've talked to anyone about something in Wikileaks you've done the same thing as him. So be prepared to be hung with him.
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: December 05 2010 at 19:44 |
TODDLER wrote:
Why would it be legal in your book? He is a hacker. Is that legal? He is an anarchist with a huge ego. What has Wikileaks done for liberty or democracy? |
"Hacking" had nothing to do with any of the leaks, and Julian was not personally responsible for any of them. I think you don't understand the actual situation.
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Finnforest
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Posted: December 05 2010 at 19:48 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
Opening a portal to evil? Wtf is he a necromancer?
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...that moment you realize you like "Mob Rules" better than "Heaven and Hell"
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TODDLER
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Posted: December 05 2010 at 20:28 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
TODDLER wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
TODDLER wrote:
Quote......"We need to be un-American and execute anyone responsible for these leaks getting out"
Christ, I find the un-American aspect to that statement to be insulting. Who are you considering when you say we would be un-American in pulling off such an act? Un-American? Un-American compared to what? Assange not being an on-going mystery to the U.S. and actions not applied by the administration in the past with this creep annoy me personally anyway. Now the U.S. efforts to bust this guy on so-called criminal offenses are considered a political stunt? Don't you find what you read in the press a bit revolting or just plain stupied? The a-hole who has put the lives of children in danger is a journalist and criminalising journalistic activity is the way to go in this case. He is a worm.  And Manning with his Lady Gaga cd? This is insulting press!  He is a traitor for sure but, I have to laugh at the coverage on this geek.....He erased his Gaga cd and downloaded confidential information?  Whistleblowers and Lady Gaga? Assange warns that any goverment that tries to curtail his activities risks triggering a new deluge of state and commercial secrets?  What? You must be joking? What are we talking about here? This is all just good PRESS! Assange needs to be caught anyway regardless of all the pathetic news reports which I personally find repulsive. It's like I'm watching "Saturday Night Live" It's like journalistic geek hiding in the U.K. verses our administration. Stop the press! Do what you have to do! Put Manning to do hard time in a military prison and Assange the rock star can be executed! And then lets get back to the real world and take care of problems that are so much more important. |
You do realize Assange has committed no crime? The supreme court has upheld his right to do what he is doing. |
Why would it be legal in your book? He is a hacker. Is that legal? He is an anarchist with a huge ego. What has Wikileaks done for liberty or democracy? |
Why would it be legal? It would be legal because it is legal. The supreme court has affirmed this. Sorry if you disagree, but I'm just stating facts. Assange is not a hacker. He is disseminating information which he legally obtained. The leaker is the one who would be able to prosecuted.
He is an anarchist with a huge ego. Last I checked that's no crime.
Now what has Wikileaks done for our liberty. A lot? It's provided concrete evidence of the hubris of our government, the illicit activities it has participated in, shown the massive contradictions in our foreign policy, and detailed the murderous actions of our government abroad. To any honest, knowledgeable person, these things were already painfully obvious, but bringing them into full light gives them new power. A blow to government is a boast to your liberty.
What has it done for democracy? Who the hell cares? But again it has done plenty along the same lines as that above. Our government acts with callous disregard and disdain for its people. If that's the 'democracy' you want to worship then I have little to say to you. |
I'm sorry for the rant but it is the way I believe. I can't buy into what you are saying. I have been around too many liberals who indulge in conspiracy theories about our goverment. 9/11 and it just escalates into insanity. They take every freak or un-explainable detail of the tragic 9/11 and run with it. How could 3 guys learn how to fly a plane but refuse in learning how to land it.....like as if to say these things are definitely pre-planned. I simply don't agree with Assange's intentions to reveal information to civilians that (as you say), are already painfully obvious. Which I have considered all of this, however, I can't agree with releasing U.S. secret documents. It personally doesn't sit right with me. He has made recent threats to the American goverment and I'm sure that you are aware of them. If it seems ridiculous to people?..fine If he is bluffing?...fine. But he makes threats like a dictator would. Same mentality.
A blow to goverment is a boast to your liberty? I'm not even going to argue with you. You should consider Assange before you have set ideas on this. If it's truly the way you feel then ....it is your right. I don't disrespect your right to believe in what you want. But why do you seem so trust worthy or completely keen on defending this guy? I'm not going to continue to debate on our goverment with you. We have an opposite belief system.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: December 05 2010 at 20:33 |
I don't care about your opinion, but you're objectively wrong on some points. I'm not sure what 9/11 conspiracies have to do with anything. The atrocities being committed abroad aren't conspiracy theories. They have been verified in numerous cases. They may mean nothing to you, but the comparisons to fringe beliefs of the political spectrum are unfounded.
Making threats like a dictator would? Actually the government is guilty of doing that. He's just defending himself.
I'm defending him because he's innocent. I tend to defend innocent people from being thrown in jail or executed. Just this crazy thing I tend to do. I also defend him because he's doing a great thing.
You can't just call it an opposite belief system. As I said before, you're objectively wrong on some points. You can't brush that aside and hide behind a "I have a right to my opinion" position.
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TODDLER
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Posted: December 05 2010 at 21:04 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
TODDLER wrote:
Even if in fact what we hear in the news media can be summed up or believed as truth, my personal gut feeling is that Assange is opening a portal for evil. Technically has he committed a crime? Maybe not. Maybe the goverment can charge him with espionage? Assange, if any of you have noticed,...is giving orders and making direct threats. If any kind of tragic event were to ever take place and people were to die or suffer greatly ....and all due to a leak out, I would have to hold Manning (of course responsible) but, more so...Assange. I don't think the American people can trust him and it is not in their best interest (even anti-Americans), to see his leaking of secret documents as a form of justice. The guy is evil. |
Your position is moronic. Opening a portal to evil? Wtf is he a necromancer? What evil does he invite?
You're so ready to hang Assange, so let me ask you something. Have you ever mentioned any of the info that was in the leaks to anybody? If so you should be ready to hang yourself. Assange has done nothing except spread information that he legally obtained. If you've talked to anyone about something in Wikileaks you've done the same thing as him. So be prepared to be hung with him. |
You are misunderstanding what I refer to as evil. How can you not have empathy for innocent people in other countries? Do you think Americans are not concerned about the end results? Everyone I work with and many of my friends have expressed a worry or a concern over this guy releasing more documents. It could cause pandemonium in other countries and people in America have expressed that to me. There is a persistence with this guy. Many Americans are not impressed about these documents being revealed and it's not because they praise the goverment. It's because they do not trust Assange. You have every right to believe the way you do. You may think that people like me are blind. I can totally understand your reaction due to the facts you have made your determinations upon.. Many Americans and from different generations have a different mind set about Assange. They don't respect him and so I guess people like us should be hanged correct?
Anybody who has the clarity to be suspicious of goverments and corporations and the audacity to advance democracy as a force held by the people needs to get the message that bad things will happen to you if you proceed down this path. This was an answer to Assange's threats.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: December 05 2010 at 21:21 |
You clearly didn't understand my point.
Also, I don't care about innocents in other countries? That's funny to accuse me of since I support these leaks which bring the deaths of these innocents to light and can serve as an impetus to ending American involvement overseas which is leading to the loss of tens of thousands of innocent life.
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TODDLER
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Posted: December 05 2010 at 23:25 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
You clearly didn't understand my point.
Also, I don't care about innocents in other countries? That's funny to accuse me of since I support these leaks which bring the deaths of these innocents to light and can serve as an impetus to ending American involvement overseas which is leading to the loss of tens of thousands of innocent life. |
Don't you understand that I am merely asking what you think the outcome may be in the end? Since many of your posts, I have investigated more and watched various past interviews with Assange, films which show the deaths of innocent people and interviews with individuals that support the leaks. I understand the importance of what Assange is trying to do. I understand the importance of your position. I DO respect that! I am concerned over what this will develop into much later. This seems dangerous to me. The hunt for Assange and the threats between him and the U.S. have increased with intensity. How much of this will persuade or convince people to think differently about Assange or the U.S.? And please no jokes because I know how intellectually or well-informed you are on this subject. Considering your position and your expertise, would you be willing to give me your personal insight on what may be the outcome of this dilemma? I am trying to dismiss propaganda tatics through the press and on either side of the fence and maybe make a prediction. I know this sounds insane but, you are now convincing me to believe differently to an extent. I have been doing a lot of research on Assange this past week. It's very controversially nerve racking and difficult for me to sort out. Now I have mixed feelings.
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TODDLER
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Posted: December 05 2010 at 23:45 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
TODDLER wrote:
Why would it be legal in your book? He is a hacker. Is that legal? He is an anarchist with a huge ego. What has Wikileaks done for liberty or democracy? |
"Hacking" had nothing to do with any of the leaks, and Julian was not personally responsible for any of them. I think you don't understand the actual situation. |
You are correct. I am still watching all the footage of the case on You Tube, watching the news, and conversing with friends on the phone who seem concerned about it. I obviously watched too many videos of people who make those accusations but, now I am seeing the other side of the fence. I am still attempting to consider all aspects of the reports. I can;t make a decision of my own as there is too much information to ponder over. I feel now that I am starting to lean towards Assange's view. I must consider the intelligent views of both sides. I am getting the facts straight and will be keeping your points of the subject in mind. I am a bit patriotic about my country and get on the defense sometimes by refusing to admit my goverment commits crimes. That's my problem. I am however leaning more towards Assange and his open statements to the public regarding the intent and purpose of the leaks.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: December 06 2010 at 07:31 |
TODDLER wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
You clearly didn't understand my point.
Also, I don't care about innocents in other countries? That's funny to accuse me of since I support these leaks which bring the deaths of these innocents to light and can serve as an impetus to ending American involvement overseas which is leading to the loss of tens of thousands of innocent life. |
Don't you understand that I am merely asking what you think the outcome may be in the end? Since many of your posts, I have investigated more and watched various past interviews with Assange, films which show the deaths of innocent people and interviews with individuals that support the leaks. I understand the importance of what Assange is trying to do. I understand the importance of your position. I DO respect that! I am concerned over what this will develop into much later. This seems dangerous to me. The hunt for Assange and the threats between him and the U.S. have increased with intensity. How much of this will persuade or convince people to think differently about Assange or the U.S.? And please no jokes because I know how intellectually or well-informed you are on this subject. Considering your position and your expertise, would you be willing to give me your personal insight on what may be the outcome of this dilemma? I am trying to dismiss propaganda tatics through the press and on either side of the fence and maybe make a prediction. I know this sounds insane but, you are now convincing me to believe differently to an extent. I have been doing a lot of research on Assange this past week. It's very controversially nerve racking and difficult for me to sort out. Now I have mixed feelings. |
It's hard to know the outcome without knowing all of the content. I have no idea really. I think that trying to arrest or shut down Wikileaks would be a very bad move for the government.
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horsewithteeth11
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Posted: December 06 2010 at 11:39 |
Anon (not surprisingly) is taking Assange's side in this:
https://uloadr.com/u/4.png
It wouldn't let me link it in the text, and I won't post the actual picture because it drops an f-bomb and is way too big.
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