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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: November 30 2010 at 21:47 |
If the information doesn't help or hurt anybody then isn't it better to have it than not to have it?
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TODDLER
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Posted: November 30 2010 at 21:49 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
I'm afraid Toddler that the person who leaked it is the one who committed the crime, although an adept lawyer could probably pin something on him if he ever entered US jurisdiction, and not just for the bizarre rape thing. Assange really is a smug jerk, though, I don't see how this really helps anybody. Diplomats are being two-faced? Why I never! More importantly, however, I can't forgive him for releasing the real names of the Afghan and Iraqi native informants and then blaming the military for not sufficiently protecting them if they were to get murdered. |
Well, this is truly appreciated. This puts a lot into perspective for me. Spot on. excellent points.
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TODDLER
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Posted: November 30 2010 at 21:59 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
If the information doesn't help or hurt anybody then isn't it better to have it than not to have it? |
I don't know. My imagination is running wild with this lately. It feels dangerous to me. Or maybe, I feel shocked by the news cast itself. I can't put my finger on it but, for some unknown reason or gut feeling, it disturbs me.
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thellama73
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Posted: November 30 2010 at 22:06 |
TODDLER wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
If the information doesn't help or hurt anybody then isn't it better to have it than not to have it? |
I don't know. My imagination is running wild with this lately. It feels dangerous to me. Or maybe, I feel shocked by the news cast itself. I can't put my finger on it but, for some unknown reason or gut feeling, it disturbs me. |
As long as the information doesn't flat out deliver our soldiers into the hands of our enemies, I would rather have it out in the open. I don't like the ease with which the Feds can cover up their actions.
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: December 01 2010 at 00:06 |
I don't think the site should be shut down but I think whoever leaked all of those American documents should be punished to the fullest.That's called treason pure and simple.
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Icarium
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Posted: December 01 2010 at 02:17 |
I don't know if I should like this Assange dude or not, he is smart but also arrogant, he is on one side a brave dude, but on the other hand he could anger a dead rock,
I wonder if he likes prog rock 
how is his last name pronounsed Asangje, what have wikileaks with wikipedia, are they conected some how, then the Pedia founder Jimmy Wales also a friend of Assange...hmm
what can we make out of this
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: December 01 2010 at 02:19 |
aginor wrote:
I don't know if I should like this Assange dude or not, he is smart but also arrogant, he is on one side a brave dude, but on the other hand he could anger a dead rock,
I wonder if he likes prog rock 
how is his last name pronounsed Asangje, what have wikileaks with wikipedia, are they conected some how, then the Pedia founder Jimmy Wales also a friend of Assange...hmm
what can we make out of this |
Wikileaks is not connected to the Wikimedia Foundation, he just took inspiration from their name. I have no idea what the rest of your post means.
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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JJLehto
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Posted: December 01 2010 at 02:24 |
Yeah, he does strike me as a bit of a douche, but really is that unexpected? How Obama feels about all this "open and transparent government is something that the President
believes is truly important. But the stealing of classified information
and its dissemination is a crime" lol oops not THAT open and transparent!
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Icarium
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Posted: December 01 2010 at 02:31 |
Henry Plainview wrote:
aginor wrote:
I don't know if I should like this Assange dude or not, he is smart but also arrogant, he is on one side a brave dude, but on the other hand he could anger a dead rock,
I wonder if he likes prog rock 
how is his last name pronounsed Asangje, what have wikileaks with wikipedia, are they conected some how, then the Pedia founder Jimmy Wales also a friend of Assange...hmm
what can we make out of this |
Wikileaks is not connected to the Wikimedia Foundation, he just took inspiration from their name. I have no idea what the rest of your post means. |
Imjust trying to make a conpriation theorie 
(that no one seems to understand)
Edited by aginor - December 01 2010 at 02:32
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TODDLER
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Posted: December 01 2010 at 05:35 |
Actually,...this makes me feel a little better. I get your point and I can relate to it. thanks for your insight.
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: December 01 2010 at 07:08 |
TODDLER wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
If the information doesn't help or hurt anybody then isn't it better to have it than not to have it? |
I don't know. My imagination is running wild with this lately. It feels dangerous to me. Or maybe, I feel shocked by the news cast itself. I can't put my finger on it but, for some unknown reason or gut feeling, it disturbs me. |
Don't take this offensively, because it's not meant to be, but I find your reaction to this very disturbing.
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"One had to be a Newton to notice that the moon is falling, when everyone sees that it doesn't fall. "
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: December 01 2010 at 07:10 |
JJLehto wrote:
Yeah, he does strike me as a bit of a douche, but really is that unexpected?
How Obama feels about all this "open and transparent government is something that the President
believes is truly important. But the stealing of classified information
and its dissemination is a crime"
lol oops not THAT open and transparent!
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"Open and transparent government with regards to the few things which the Presidents decides the stupid public should be allowed to know is something the President believes is truly important. "
Wikilieaks next target is supposedly a big U.S. bank.
Bring down the banksters.
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VanderGraafKommandöh
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Posted: December 01 2010 at 09:52 |
Aginor, Henry is right. Wikimedia has nothing to do with Wikileaks. Jimmy Wales has said this in an interview as well.
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stonebeard
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Posted: December 01 2010 at 12:03 |
TheProgtologist wrote:
I don't think the site should be shut down but I think whoever leaked all of those American documents should be punished to the fullest.That's called treason pure and simple. |
I don't know if it is technically treason is it? Don't you have to actively defect or work directly for another country to be convicted of treason? If anything at all this could only indirectly and tangently harm the United States' reputation.
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TheProgtologist
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Posted: December 01 2010 at 14:09 |
stonebeard wrote:
TheProgtologist wrote:
I don't think the site should be shut down but I think whoever leaked all of those American documents should be punished to the fullest.That's called treason pure and simple. |
I don't know if it is technically treason is it? Don't you have to actively defect or work directly for another country to be convicted of treason? If anything at all this could only indirectly and tangently harm the United States' reputation. |
Treason:
1.
the offense of acting to overthrow one's government or to harm or kill its sovereign.
2.
a violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state.
3.
the betrayal of a trust or confidence; breach of faith; treachery.
Being a member of the military,downloading top secret classified documents and leaking them to anybody would be number 3 on that list.
The last guy that did this is looking at 50 years at hard labor in a military prison.They're lucky,years ago it would have been life or execution(deservedly so,imo).
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: December 01 2010 at 15:32 |
The definition makes me think you should get a medal for treason rather than a hanging.
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Posted: December 01 2010 at 15:44 |
Mike Huckabye was actualy promoting execution for the leaches/leaker, I don't support that though, I am fully 99,2%against execution punichment.
I am exited about what they have dug up from the bank documents, maybe another blow to the solar plexus.
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TODDLER
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Posted: December 02 2010 at 06:58 |
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
TODDLER wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
If the information doesn't help or hurt anybody then isn't it better to have it than not to have it? |
I don't know. My imagination is running wild with this lately. It feels dangerous to me. Or maybe, I feel shocked by the news cast itself. I can't put my finger on it but, for some unknown reason or gut feeling, it disturbs me. |
Don't take this offensively, because it's not meant to be, but I find your reaction to this very disturbing. |
It's the Glenn Beck Show! starring that star of stars, the one and only....Glenn Beck! A very contemptuous little intellect that gives YOU..the viewer, ....the assurance that the God Julian Assange is worshipped highly in this country because the majority of our American social system is based on communism. Very nice.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: December 02 2010 at 07:06 |
TODDLER wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
TODDLER wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
If the information doesn't help or hurt anybody then isn't it better to have it than not to have it? |
I don't know. My imagination is running wild with this lately. It feels dangerous to me. Or maybe, I feel shocked by the news cast itself. I can't put my finger on it but, for some unknown reason or gut feeling, it disturbs me. |
Don't take this offensively, because it's not meant to be, but I find your reaction to this very disturbing. |
It's the Glenn Beck Show! starring that star of stars, the one and only....Glenn Beck! A very contemptuous little intellect that gives YOU..the viewer, ....the assurance that the God Julian Assange is worshipped highly in this country because the majority of our American social system is based on communism. Very nice. |
I think Glenn is disturbed.  
Edited by Slartibartfast - December 02 2010 at 07:10
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Equality 7-2521
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Posted: December 02 2010 at 07:45 |
TODDLER wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
TODDLER wrote:
Equality 7-2521 wrote:
If the information doesn't help or hurt anybody then isn't it better to have it than not to have it? |
I don't know. My imagination is running wild with this lately. It feels dangerous to me. Or maybe, I feel shocked by the news cast itself. I can't put my finger on it but, for some unknown reason or gut feeling, it disturbs me. |
Don't take this offensively, because it's not meant to be, but I find your reaction to this very disturbing. |
It's the Glenn Beck Show! starring that star of stars, the one and only....Glenn Beck! A very contemptuous little intellect that gives YOU..the viewer, ....the assurance that the God Julian Assange is worshipped highly in this country because the majority of our American social system is based on communism. Very nice. |
What the hell?
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