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KABSA 
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 Posted: November 29 2010 at 17:20 |
i always thought that the `live album` welcome back... was a poor stadium sound then i found the `hardback` edition .... wow digital mix [one of the first] the sound is terrific what was once a poor lp , now is something wicked
? what of the cd reissues , which mix is used ?
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Posted: November 29 2010 at 22:07 |
Well, It looks like I'm in the minority here, but ELP never did it for me. My main problem is that their classical influence overshadows their rocking side. Case in point would be songs like "Toccata" and "Jerusalem," which I find incredibly boring, and if it's not the classical pieces, they seem to have too many joke pieces like "Are you Ready Eddy," Benny the Bouncer," and "The Sheriff"... I just don't see enough substance.
I think they are fantastic individual players, but not a good band. I also really don't like Greg's voice. I think his finest moment was signing" 21st Century," and that was through a megaphone.
I will say I love "Tarkus," and I think it's a perfect 10. How's that for contradiction.
Post Script: I also like most of "Karn Evil" as well, but when the computer starts talking at the end, it just kills it for me.
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The Wrinkler
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Posted: November 30 2010 at 01:44 |
^ I felt the same way before... except Lake's voice, I've always liked it. It'll grow on you  . Trilogy is a good consistent, and fun album to get those ELP juices flowing into your blood!
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richardh
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Posted: November 30 2010 at 01:48 |
 KABSA wrote:
i always thought that the `live album` welcome back... was a poor stadium sound
then i found the `hardback` edition .... wow
digital mix [one of the first]
the sound is terrific
what was once a poor lp , now is something wicked
? what of the cd reissues , which mix is used ? |
Some of the Welcome Back live tracks are available as 'straight from boards' mix (KE9 and Hoedown). You can find them on the bonus live disc for 'The Ultimate Collection' and they sound great.
I do like the deluxe editions of Pictures At An Exhibition and Welcome back. Not so convinced about the BSS and Works releases although you do get all of Works (Volumes one and two) in the deluxe edition which is nice.
Recently I got the Atlantic Years compilation that was released in 1992. I wanted it for the artwork and also to compare the sound with the recent remasters. Quite shocked at just how good the sound is and makes me realise that all these reissues add very little to be perfectly honest.
Now I'm searching for the Atlantic CD mixes of all ELP albums up to and inc Works Volume One that were released in 1990. I stupidly gave them away about 15 years ago thinking they were redundant. Doh!
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Snow Dog
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Posted: November 30 2010 at 01:53 |
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ELP were my favourite band of the seventies. I adored them with a fervour and passion bordering on the fanatical. Genesis and Rush came close to supplanting them at some time but ELP will always be one of my all time favourite bands.
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Posted: November 30 2010 at 12:52 |
richardh wrote:
Also the last comment about Genesis. What does this mean exactly? Are you saying that ELP were more talented than the 3 man line up of Genesis? Even as an ELP fan I'm not sure I agree.Would call it a draw.  |
No, what I said is that a band that looses the two most adventurous key members as Peter Gabriel and Steve Hackett, has an excuse to change the sound into something simpler, but ELP didn't suffer the loss of any member, they were always the same three (Except in ELPowell and Three).
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richardh
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Posted: November 30 2010 at 15:22 |
Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:
richardh wrote:
Also the last comment about Genesis. What does this mean exactly? Are you saying that ELP were more talented than the 3 man line up of Genesis? Even as an ELP fan I'm not sure I agree.Would call it a draw. |
No, what I said is that a band that looses the two most adventurous key members as Peter Gabriel and Steve Hackett, has an excuse to change the sound into something simpler, but ELP didn't suffer the loss of any member, they were always the same three (Except in ELPowell and Three).
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ok ...I think
Emerson Lake and Palmer didn't release anything in the eighties so I'm not sure how they could be guilty of anything in that decade.
Black Moon in 1992 was a respectable come back album after so long and I was glad to see them still performing live.Sadly they followed that up with In The Hot Seat. Emerson and Palmer (both after operations on their hands) were virtual passengers on that album and were even replaced by session musicians for one track (Gone Too Soon). 
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moshkito
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Posted: November 30 2010 at 15:51 |
Snow Dog wrote:
ELP were my favourite band of the seventies. I adored them with a fervour and passion bordering on the fanatical. Genesis and Rush came close to supplanting them at some time but ELP will always be one of my all time favourite bands. |
I still get a massive rush listening to the first 2 albums ... I kinda lost the ability to listen to them more when they started doing fun songs for radio ... I would rather have the first album and if it makes the radio fine, if not ... who cares ... the music lives!
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Snow Dog
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Posted: November 30 2010 at 16:28 |
moshkito wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
ELP were my favourite band of the seventies. I adored them with a fervour and passion bordering on the fanatical. Genesis and Rush came close to supplanting them at some time but ELP will always be one of my all time favourite bands. |
I still get a massive rush listening to the first 2 albums ... I kinda lost the ability to listen to them more when they started doing fun songs for radio ... I would rather have the first album and if it makes the radio fine, if not ... who cares ... the music lives! |
I don't remember them writing fun songs for the radio. I don't think they did.
Actually i have no idea what you are talking about. Whats new.
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richardh
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Posted: December 01 2010 at 01:39 |
The 'fun songs' in total were
Jeremy Bender
Are You ready Eddy?
The Sheriff
Benny The Bouncer
total of about 12 minutes music on the first 5 studio albums (6 really as Works is a double)
Whats funny is that ELP's detractors constantly harp on about this as a reason they were'nt in the top league with Genesis,Yes and Pink Floyd.
ELP had a fun side to their music as evidenced on parts Karn Evil 9 but otherwise most of ELP's music up to and inc Works Volume Two was serious stuff.
Works Volume Two on the other hand was the beginning of the end as we all know ..but all good things come to an eventually.
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Posted: December 01 2010 at 01:50 |
I never considered The Sheriff a "fun" song. A stroytelling song certainly and an awesome song definitely.
I wonder if people dislike "Harold The Barrel"?
Edited by Snow Dog - December 01 2010 at 01:51
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JeanFrame
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Posted: December 01 2010 at 03:09 |
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I really like ELP personally, though I can understand why they generate flak. For some people, it's way over the top, but even if some of that is true, shouldn't we applaud their willingness to go out on a limb and try for adventure and invention rather than just plod the same weary path as so many other bands and musicians do? And even if you don't like the music, you can't deny that you're talking about three of the finest rock musicians ever.
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Moogtron III
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Posted: December 01 2010 at 04:42 |
Snow Dog wrote:
I never considered The Sheriff a "fun" song. A stroytelling song certainly and an awesome song definitely.
I wonder if people dislike "Harold The Barrel"? |
I love Harold The Barrell.
I also like The Sheriff and the fun songs. ELP was enormously versatile.  So was Genesis, BTW, but ELP is the most versatile of them all, I think.
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Cactus Choir
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Posted: December 01 2010 at 08:00 |
Moogtron III wrote:
I also like The Sheriff and the fun songs. ELP was enormously versatile. So was Genesis, BTW, but ELP is the most versatile of them all, I think. |
Yep, agree with that. The variety of ELP is the thing I like about them most of all - classical, jazz, ballads, heavy rock and yes even the much-maligned 'funny stuff'.
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"And now...on the drums...Mick Underwooooooooood!!!"
"He's up the pub"
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Harold-The-Barrel
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Posted: December 03 2010 at 07:09 |
I love them but they are an acquired taste, they seem to alienate a lot of people, who find their music cold, they've always been perceived as "Pretentious" too, which of course they are, but they did it so well...didn't they? 
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You must be joking.....Take a running jump......
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Dellinger
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Posted: December 03 2010 at 22:25 |
Cactus Choir wrote:
Moogtron III wrote:
I also like The Sheriff and the fun songs. ELP was enormously versatile. So was Genesis, BTW, but ELP is the most versatile of them all, I think.
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Yep, agree with that. The variety of ELP is the thing I like about them most of all - classical, jazz, ballads, heavy rock and yes even the much-maligned 'funny stuff'. |
The only "fun" song I really like from ELP is "Are you Ready Eddy?"
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Cactus Choir
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Posted: December 04 2010 at 06:30 |
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The only "fun" song I really like from ELP is "Are you Ready Eddy?" |
You don't appreciate the pre-punk majesty of Benny The Bouncer? You don't know what you're missing! 
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"And now...on the drums...Mick Underwooooooooood!!!"
"He's up the pub"
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Gerinski
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Posted: December 04 2010 at 06:43 |
richardh wrote:
The 'fun songs' in total were
Jeremy Bender
Are You ready Eddy?
The Sheriff
Benny The Bouncer
total of about 12 minutes music on the first 5 studio albums (6 really as Works is a double)
Whats funny is that ELP's detractors constantly harp on about this as a reason they were'nt in the top league with Genesis,Yes and Pink Floyd.
ELP had a fun side to their music as evidenced on parts Karn Evil 9 but otherwise most of ELP's music up to and inc Works Volume Two was serious stuff.
Works Volume Two on the other hand was the beginning of the end as we all know ..but all good things come to an eventually.
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Fully agree, and anyway The Sheriff is an excellent song. If Keith enjoyed playing honky-tonk piano so what? It wouldn't be him if he didn't, he introduced that distinctive slightly detuned straight piano sound into prog, which nobody else has done. A sign of his strong personality.
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Blackbeard
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Posted: December 04 2010 at 12:42 |
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For me they started greatly with a unique style, developing forwards, and then going over the top. They were not the first and they won't be the last with this kind of "history".
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Dellinger
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Posted: December 05 2010 at 12:33 |
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