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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2010 at 08:49
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by Rush77 Rush77 wrote:

Hey everybody so i was lookin at the site and noticed that ELP is rated pretty low and i was wondering y so im gonna ask everyone who reads this their opinion on this band. Personally i find them to be utterly amazing and one of my fav bands of all time but thats just my opinion plz tell me wat u think about them 

Eh I'm a long time fan, but I think it has to do with their inconsistency.  Because some people tend to get hung up about consistency.  Their first few albums were really good, but some people can't stand the funny songs.  Then they went all over the place with Works.  Then they caught the commercialitis disease.  But mostly because of this album cover:

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LOLLOLLOLLOL                 I have great respect for their talent. I just can't listen to their music anymore and that's my deal. Years later I notice their egos were getting out of hand. Stories I heard from prog vendors or fans about. I seriously think it's a waste of human energy to track band members down for a meeting. They have for the most part answered the same stupied questions for years and dread the thought, especially when their asses are in a sling and they make 10 times less the profit than what was originally made. My brother used to talk with Blue Oyster Cult at every gig. He was on a mission to find the so called mystery behind the lyrics. Apart from the writings of Sandy Pearlman, he was under the impression that maybe the members themselves were into the occult. Eric Bloom explained to him that they were asked by the record company to study occult related subjects and keep the band image intense. My brother handed Bloom his cell and asked him to say hello to an old friend. Eric grabbed the phone and said,,,,"Your friend says your a dick"LOL  Do you see what I mean about these guys? Whether it's Emerson making rude comments about signing a mellotron or Palmer stopping his drum solo to ask an audience member to cut the tapping, it all means the same thing. They have been in the music business for so bloody long it has damaged their minds. I watched Greg Lake flip-out on promoters at the A.C. Casinos. They all seem on edge.

The coolest person to chat with is Roger Glover. If it makes any sense to do so anywayConfused     He is well spoken and draws a happy medium to his communication between himself and his fans. A very pleasant person. The best moment was when my brother asked Greg Lake to sign his "In the Court Of the Crimson King" cd. Greg just looked at it with disgust. He stated at the bar that we would never see a reformation of the original King Crimson. He then said that ELP reforming and doing a new release would be utter nonsense. He said that ELP was all about ego and he was happy to play with Ringo's All Stars. It's the business that did this to him. The experience of inner turmoil between Lake, Palmer, and Emerson had more to do with the nature of the business. What they were being asked of by record companies and the pressures they inflicted upon each other.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2010 at 15:29
ELP are probably my favourite Prog Rock band of all time as they embody pretty much everything wonderful and wretched about the genre:

Virtuosos, ego-maniacal, pretentious/tongue in cheek, vain, flamboyant, innovative, challenging, experimental, didactic (they're the only reason I started listening to classical music)

They do seem to attract a LOT of flak on PA and some of it is richly deserved (Works, Love Beach, In the Hot Seat) but the five albums they released from 1970 to 73 are unimpeachable from any prog lover's perspective in my book. That's not to say these albums are beyond criticism but bashing same as 'not the real McProg' is like blaming Noah for the sinking of the Titanic.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 16 2010 at 16:21
Originally posted by ExittheLemming ExittheLemming wrote:

...   but the five albums they released from 1970 to 73 are unimpeachable from any prog lover's perspective in my book. That's not to say these albums are beyond criticism but bashing same as 'not the real McProg' is like blaming Noah for the sinking of the Titanic.
 
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My listening to their work stops at Brain Salad Surgery.
 
It is revolutionary in the sense that at first the keyboards were used for effect ... and later strictly for solo potential and nothing else.
 
I also think that the lyrics themselves were often quite confrontational and not always nice ... and I think that may have been a product of their personality clashes, but in the end, when they became "stars" ... the majority of their musicianship went down the drain in my book.
 
The first two albums made a point and showed something ... and after that, a lot of European bands did a lot better than ELP. I sometimes think they just got lazy.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2010 at 18:26
Originally posted by seventhsojourn seventhsojourn wrote:

Originally posted by Tapfret Tapfret wrote:

They are an undeniable cog in the prog machine. I'm sure the "sl*g.ing" (new word for me, man I hope I didn't get baited into using a swear word I was not aware of) and low ratings referred to stems from a tiny grudge many feel for ELP's symbolic role in prog's late 70's meltdown. Obvious to most, less so to others.
 
Not a sweary word... the verb to sl*g./EM> is slang for to criticize, insult.
 
I've used that word in the past here, and it always showed as sl*g. Glad to see its raunchy connotation is set aside.
 
In regard to the lads, I always thought that symphonic prog encouraged elaboration, and ELP maybe went from there into bombast. But many love that aspect. It's undeniable that these three were superb musicians with technical know-how. Most critics seemingly went out of their way to um, Sl*g them.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 22 2010 at 21:22
I think they had to have been a huge influence on Spinal Tap.  
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2010 at 00:11
From the debut and until Welcome Back My Friends they are all masterpieces to me, regardless of the inconsistent tracks here and there. Works I is also very worthy. Definitely one of my fav bands.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2010 at 02:19
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by Rush77 Rush77 wrote:

Hey everybody so i was lookin at the site and noticed that ELP is rated pretty low and i was wondering y so im gonna ask everyone who reads this their opinion on this band. Personally i find them to be utterly amazing and one of my fav bands of all time but thats just my opinion plz tell me wat u think about them 

Eh I'm a long time fan, but I think it has to do with their inconsistency.  Because some people tend to get hung up about consistency.  Their first few albums were really good, but some people can't stand the funny songs.  Then they went all over the place with Works.  Then they caught the commercialitis disease.  But mostly because of this album cover:

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I don't think that a single month goes by or this album sleeve is being shown on a PA thread. Smile
It must be a legendary album LOL
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2010 at 05:53
I've seen them on Сreation of peace festival in Kazan, Russia
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2010 at 06:05
Best band for a long time and left an indelible mark on prog and music in general. Unforgettable compositions such as Karn Evil 9, Tarkus, Take a Pebble. I have all their CDs and some DVDs.
 
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2010 at 06:06
oops sorry how did that ahappen
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2010 at 06:19
Simple: your subconscious inner self is subscribing my earlier stated hypothesis, that Love Beach is a very important album in prog Smile
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2010 at 06:42
I like ELP but am not crazy about them.

"Tarkus" and "Karn Evil 9" (1st  and 3rd Impressions) blow me away.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2010 at 08:36
At the top of their game (1970-73) they were creative and hugely exciting. They did more to popularise prog and open up opportunities for similar bands than any other group IMO. They bridged the gap between heavy rock - Zep, Purple etc - and prog like no-one else, having the power and aggression of the former and the variety and complexity of the latter. Quite a few on here don't like them but their importance to the genre is not in doubt.

After their 70s peaks Genesis, Yes, Rush etc spent most of the 80s churning out dull, sub-standard quasi-prog. If you're going to go down the pan properly you need to release an album like Love Beach. Even ELP's implosion is a source of (comic) entertainment to me!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2010 at 10:03
Surely,a must-listen artist.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2010 at 10:19
Along with Rush, ELP were the first REAL prog band I got into.  I haven't listened to anything of theirs in a while, but whenever I do, I still enjoy it.  Starting with Works, they pretty much lost me (though there is some half decent stuff on there).  Interestingly enough, I heard the "An Officer and A Gentleman" suite on satellite radio this past weekend.  The thought that came to my mind was that this was what it would sound like if Barry Mannilow wrote a prog suite Thumbs Down LOL  Seriously.

But at their peak, they were fantastic.  My favorite is either Tarkus (whole album, love it all) or Brain Salad Surgery (total masterpiece).  But the first two and Welcome Back My Friends..... are also fantastic albums.

I imagine the sl*g.ing comes from the fact that they were overly bombastic, pretentious, egotistical, and represent all the excesses of prog.  Which is, incidentally, also what made them so great Big smile


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2010 at 13:29
I used to listen to them alot bought all albums from their debut up till works II.  Didn't mind Works I.  However, I don't listen to them much now, for me they haven't stood the test of time as well as Genesis, Crimson, Yes etc.  Just my personal listening habits.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2010 at 14:24
love this band as one my top 70's band of all time. 
This is funny this topic was going on while I was creating a collage and I didn't know about it!!!
Please check it out.  Wink


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2010 at 14:32
Karn Evil 9 (1st impression parts one & two) is truly a marvellous prog masterpiece. Tarkus less so, and I love Pictures at an Exhibition except that horrible "Nutrocker" Alas, had BSS not had the rest of the dross - it would be one of the best albums ever - my gripe with ELP, was that they were capable of producing sublime symphonic prog, but instead gave us Benny the Bouncer...... Genesis comedy song "Harold the Barrel" was the correct way to produce a quirky comic-prog classic....
If Emerson had done more "The Old Castle" style moog bursts - he'd have pleased a helluva lot more proggers than "Jeremy Bender".....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2010 at 14:42
Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

According to my college English professor, if you use an and or an & you still should use a comma. LOL

As in Emerson, Lake, and Palmer.

Ah, the old serial comma dilemma.
There is a cultural divide on this one.  Americans tend to use it, Britons tend not to.  Lynn Truss makes a strong case for the latter (well she is a Brit) in Eats Shoots and Leaves (in fact the punchline to the title is all about this).  To my eyes the comma means "and," so you don't need that final comma, otherwise it means "Emerson and Lake and and Palmer."  On the other hand, maybe those two ands imply a space for inserting other figures, you know, like Hendrix or Powell?

Anyway . . .
I deeply love ELP and just don't understand the hatred they experience on, of all places, a prog site.

There are of course some good songs on Love Beach.  (Shoot, did I just write that in public?)  It's just that you shouldn't actually write a song called "Love Beach," and you certainly shouldn't then go to give that title to the whole album and then you absolutely should not shoot a cover with yourselves featured as the Second Coming of the Gibbs brothers.


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 23 2010 at 15:10
Originally posted by Cactus Choir Cactus Choir wrote:

At the top of their game (1970-73) they were creative and hugely exciting. They did more to popularise prog and open up opportunities for similar bands than any other group IMO. They bridged the gap between heavy rock - Zep, Purple etc - and prog like no-one else, having the power and aggression of the former and the variety and complexity of the latter. Quite a few on here don't like them but their importance to the genre is not in doubt.

After their 70s peaks Genesis, Yes, Rush etc spent most of the 80s churning out dull, sub-standard quasi-prog. If you're going to go down the pan properly you need to release an album like Love Beach. Even ELP's implosion is a source of (comic) entertainment to me!
 
I like what you are saying although I am prepared to defend Rush who for me took over ELP's mantle and created their own brand of sophisticated keyboard/synth based prog for the eighties. Their run of albums from Moving Pictures to Grace Under Pressure showed much of the invention that made ELP a great band even if it wasn't in the form of long intricate peices of music.
 
Love Beach is not that hateable an album really. Lake and Palmer actually perform well on it but sadly Emerson had lost all enthusiasm at that point and it shows (bar perhaps the piano bits on Memoirs Of An Officer and a Gentleman). The orchestral tour was everything he wanted and he admitted afterwards that he was depresssed that he couldn't recreate that massive sound. ELP would have ended at that point but for the contractural obligation with Atlantic records.
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