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Rush77 
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Posted: November 15 2010 at 13:02 |
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Hey everybody so i was lookin at the site and noticed that ELP is rated pretty low and i was wondering y so im gonna ask everyone who reads this their opinion on this band. Personally i find them to be utterly amazing and one of my fav bands of all time but thats just my opinion plz tell me wat u think about them
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Snow Dog
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Posted: November 15 2010 at 13:07 |
I love them. My favourite band when I was 13+. Still one of my very top bands.
They may get a bit of a slagging here though.
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Evolver
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Posted: November 15 2010 at 13:12 |
ELP's albums up through Welcome back My Friends... will always be favorites of mine.
Some people don't like them. It happens.
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Snow Dog
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Posted: November 15 2010 at 13:13 |
 Evolver wrote:
ELP's albums up through Welcome back My Friends... will always be favorites of mine.
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Can't argue with that.
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Formentera Lady
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Posted: November 15 2010 at 13:30 |
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I personally think they are best when they play adaptions of classical music. I think I'll add a 4-star rating for 'Pictures at an Exhibition'.
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Varon
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Posted: November 15 2010 at 13:45 |
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I like them very much . Personally I think this is the most powerfull band in progrock . It's in my top 5 of all time. Karn Evil 9, Tarkus, Take a pebble, Toccata are real masterpieces . That's a pity that their greatest album (1973) is very uderrated here . It should be in top 10 .
Edited by Varon - November 15 2010 at 13:45
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Would you catch my words???
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Dellinger
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Posted: November 15 2010 at 22:25 |
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There are lots of ELP songs that I really like a lot. But the thing with them is that there is no one album that I would rate as a masterpiece as a whole (Pictures at an Exhibition my be the closest for me). I don't really like it when they go into that sort of "carnival" music, or I don't know how to describe it (as the "mass" part of Tarkus, or the third part of Trilogy, etc), I find it most annoying.
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Tapfret
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Posted: November 16 2010 at 00:23 |
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They are an undeniable cog in the prog machine. I'm sure the "slagging" (new word for me, man I hope I didn't get baited into using a swear word I was not aware of) and low ratings referred to stems from a tiny grudge many feel for ELP's symbolic role in prog's late 70's meltdown. Obvious to most, less so to others.
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40footwolf
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Posted: November 16 2010 at 01:27 |
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I think ELP was an incredible idea with very flawed execution, but that said I find them endlessly fascinating to listen to. It's like they're so dated that they've become timeless, and I don't actually mean that as a dis.
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richardh
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Posted: November 16 2010 at 01:42 |
I wouldn't be posting here if I hadn't discovered ELP when I was about 13. I could write a long essay about them and how I feel about their music.I'll keep it brief though.
Keith Emerson - the word genius is often overused ,but not in this case.Great composer and keyboard player wrongly branded as a technician by clueless music critics. Great showman who helped make progressive rock music accessible.
Greg Lake - the rudder that stopped this juggernaut going off the road. Very intellegent guy with a voice at his peak that bar Justin Hayward was untouchable.Very underated guitarist and excellent producer as well. Decent songwriter ,he penned masterpeices such as From The Beginning and Lucky Man that were very important in making ELP a 'three dimensional band'.
Carl Palmer - an absolute force of nature!!. Considered a speed freak but able to do the subtle stuff like Take A Pebble as well. His drum solo was an event in itself.
My favourite albums are Trilogy and Brain Salad Surgery although everything they did up to and inc Works Volume One was worthwhile. My favourite track is probably Pirates. Exquisite peice of music ,so smoothly played its untrue. Symphonic prog never got any better than this (imo)
Regrettably they didn't know when to knock it on the head. Works should have been the end and perhaps people might have had a generally more positive view of them of they had stopped after the orchestral tour.It does seem to me that money concerns at that point overtook artistic aims and thats where it truly went wrong.
btw Interesting that you write their name without the comma. Something of a bone of contention amongst ELP fans 
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Snow Dog
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Posted: November 16 2010 at 02:27 |
richardh wrote:
btw Interesting that you write their name without the comma. Something of a bone of contention amongst ELP fans
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Can't say I've ever noticed. First time I've ever seen this mentioned. I mean EVER.
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Moogtron III
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Posted: November 16 2010 at 02:32 |
ELP made some fantastic music. I'm crazy about the first album, the Tarkus suite, most of Brain Salad Surgery and some other stuff as well. They were incredibly creative up to Works 1. I like their classic adaptations, Emerson was very creative in the choice of composers (e.g. Bartok, Ginastera, Copland), and they rewrote some classical stuff in a great way, but I like ELP even better in their own compositions.
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Tapfret
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Posted: November 16 2010 at 02:35 |
Snow Dog wrote:
richardh wrote:
btw Interesting that you write their name without the comma. Something of a bone of contention amongst ELP fans
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Can't say I've ever noticed. First time I've ever seen this mentioned. I mean EVER. |
I always forget the comma in Jethro, Tull. 
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seventhsojourn
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Posted: November 16 2010 at 03:49 |
Tapfret wrote:
They are an undeniable cog in the prog machine. I'm sure the "slagging" (new word for me, man I hope I didn't get baited into using a swear word I was not aware of) and low ratings referred to stems from a tiny grudge many feel for ELP's symbolic role in prog's late 70's meltdown. Obvious to most, less so to others. |
Not a sweary word... the verb to slag is slang for to criticize, insult.
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topographicbroadways
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Posted: November 16 2010 at 05:43 |
they are something of a scapegoat for prog criticism and always have been but their music transcends popular opinion and they wrote some of the greatest works of progressive music, but the real masterpiece i think is their fantastic cover of Pictures at an Exhibition which was the most beautiful moments i have ever witnessed at the reunion earlier this year.
the first album and Trilogy are probably their most complete studio works despite the popular opinion that brain salad surgery is the classic Karn Evil and Toccatta i find to be the only shiners on that album with the remaining tracks simply being good pieces of music.
I havn't noticed them getting to much heat from actual prog fans though i think they are highly respected as musicians and rightly so
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: November 16 2010 at 06:40 |
Rush77 wrote:
Hey everybody so i was lookin at the site and noticed that ELP is rated pretty low and i was wondering y so im gonna ask everyone who reads this their opinion on this band. Personally i find them to be utterly amazing and one of my fav bands of all time but thats just my opinion plz tell me wat u think about them
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Eh I'm a long time fan, but I think it has to do with their inconsistency. Because some people tend to get hung up about consistency. Their first few albums were really good, but some people can't stand the funny songs. Then they went all over the place with Works. Then they caught the commercialitis disease. But mostly because of this album cover: 
Edited by Slartibartfast - November 16 2010 at 06:45
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Blacksword
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Posted: November 16 2010 at 06:55 |
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I like them, but that is a fairly recent development. The lack of guitar bugged me for a while. VDGG compensated for this with Dave Jacksons sax, but something seemed to be missing in ELP.
These days I find myself listening to them quite a lot. The debut and Trilogy are currently getting weekly plays in my house. I've found myself in possession of most of their studio albums, either on vinyl, CD or both, but they have never registered among my favourite bands, so it seems they have reeled me in, by stealth over the years. When they're good they're fantastic, when they're bad they're toe curling. A 3.5 star band, who could have easily been a five star band.
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Ultimately bored by endless ecstasy!
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chopper
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Posted: November 16 2010 at 06:56 |
Snow Dog wrote:
richardh wrote:
btw Interesting that you write their name without the comma. Something of a bone of contention amongst ELP fans
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Can't say I've ever noticed. First time I've ever seen this mentioned. I mean EVER. |
Me neither. I notice the cover of Love Beach doesn't seem to have a comma. I suppose strictly speaking it should be Emerson, Lake and Palmer but frankly, who cares?
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: November 16 2010 at 07:00 |
According to my college English professor, if you use an and or an & you still should use a comma. As in Emerson, Lake, and Palmer.
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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chopper
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Posted: November 16 2010 at 07:15 |
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then it would be E,L&P.
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