Greg Lake’s rant against bootlegs and piracy. - Progressive Rock Music Forum

Author

Message

Topic Search

Topic Options

Snow Dog

Special Collaborator

Honorary Collaborator

Joined: March 23 2005
Location: Caerdydd
Status: Offline
Points: 32995

Posted: November 10 2010 at 10:22

^ What do you think? Read it and see!

Padraic

Special Collaborator

Honorary Collaborator

Joined: February 16 2006
Location: Pennsylvania
Status: Offline
Points: 31169

Posted: November 10 2010 at 10:33

GREG LAKE'S PERFECT! ARE YOU?

Snow Dog

Special Collaborator

Honorary Collaborator

Joined: March 23 2005
Location: Caerdydd
Status: Offline
Points: 32995

Posted: November 10 2010 at 10:36

Padraic wrote:

GREG LAKE'S PERFECT! ARE YOU?

NEGATIVE! PIRATIVE! I NEVER LET YOU TAPE!

TODDLER

Forum Senior Member

VIP Member

Joined: August 28 2009
Location: Vineland, N.J.
Status: Offline
Points: 3126

Posted: November 10 2010 at 10:38

Snow Dog wrote:

^ What do you think? Read it and see!

I understand all of that.

I mean what is really going on here as a result of the communication between the 2 of them? Can things really be worked out? They both seem like really cool people. Their knowledge, their intelligence etc. I find their posts on music truly interesting and informative. Just hope neither one of them bails out. That's one of the main reasons I come here....to read their posts.

Padraic

Special Collaborator

Honorary Collaborator

Joined: February 16 2006
Location: Pennsylvania
Status: Offline
Points: 31169

Posted: November 10 2010 at 10:38

LOAD YOUR PROGRAM. I HAVE YOUR IP ADDRESS.

Snow Dog

Special Collaborator

Honorary Collaborator

Joined: March 23 2005
Location: Caerdydd
Status: Offline
Points: 32995

Posted: November 10 2010 at 10:40

" Let the MACs of war be drawn...."

Snow Dog

Special Collaborator

Honorary Collaborator

Joined: March 23 2005
Location: Caerdydd
Status: Offline
Points: 32995

Posted: November 10 2010 at 10:42

TODDLER wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

^ What do you think? Read it and see!

I understand all of that.

Really? I have no answer to that. I'm just mystified.

(Exitthelemons posts are fine)

Evolver

Special Collaborator

Crossover & JR/F/Canterbury Teams

Joined: October 22 2005
Location: The Idiocracy
Status: Offline
Points: 5482

Posted: November 10 2010 at 10:44

There's not much any official authority can do to stop illegal downloading.

Maybe more unofficial channels would be more effective.

I suggest that Greg Lake take it up with a mafia kingpin.

Which begs the question:

Mr. Lake, has the Don ever seen your eyes?

Edited by Evolver - November 10 2010 at 10:51

Trust me. I know what I'm doing.

Ivan_Melgar_M View Drop Down

Special Collaborator

Honorary Collaborator

Joined: April 27 2004
Location: Peru
Status: Offline
Points: 19551

Posted: November 10 2010 at 10:44

Originally posted by topographicbroadways

topographicbroadways wrote:

taking a bootleg at a concert is NOT stealing bootlegging is basically taking a souvenir from the concert you payed to attend. If you then sell the bootleg you are in the wrong but you aren't stealing or costing the band any money. Some people seem to be misconstruing this for a comment against album piracy but it isn't this is about concert bootlegs which are just collectors items not serious alternatives to paying for music

Completely false.

Despite the quality or whatever, the bootleg is an unauthorized copy of copyrighted material that only the owner is allowed to make.

Read your ticket to any show, it doesn't allow you to copy the performance and own it, sell it or give it for free, even if the author is not going to film that concert, he owns the rights of the music and you are stealing.

You are illegally copying material that only the owner of the copyright is entitled to duplicate.

Iván.

Snow Dog

Special Collaborator

Honorary Collaborator

Joined: March 23 2005
Location: Caerdydd
Status: Offline
Points: 32995

Posted: November 10 2010 at 10:50

Evolver wrote:

There's not much any official authority can do to stop illegal downloading.

Maybe more unofficial channels would be more effective.

I suggest that Greg Lake take it up with a mafia kingpin.

Which begs the question:

Mr. Lake, has the Don ever seen you eyes?

rogerthat

Prog Reviewer

Joined: September 03 2006
Location: .
Status: Offline
Points: 9869

Posted: November 10 2010 at 10:54

Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

Despite the quality or whatever, the bootleg is an unauthorized copy of copyrighted material that only the owner is allowed to make.

On a detour, what is the legal position on photographs shot during the concert? I think that they too are not allowed. Normally, cameras are frisked away at concerts these days, at least the ones that take place at arenas/stadia. However, I have seen bands calling for fans to send across photos on facebook and I am talking really big bands here, not obscure artists who wouldn't mind souvenirs. I have heard of musicians signing photographs taken by fans during concerts.

I will also give you a hypothetical scenario: let's say there's this band with a wonderful guitarist and on a particular concert night, he performs an incredible on the spot improv which gets much appreciated by the crowd but is not recorded by the band for subsequent distribution. If somebody shot this improv on mobile camera and showed him the video, would he not feel glad and maybe even ask the fan to share it? There's no point in pretending that he will scowl, because most people won't. Fripp probably would, but he is not "most people". Wink

As is typical in most of these debates, the legal position is crystal clear but there is a grey area of emotions outside it and the fact that the grey area has no legal locus standi does not mean bands or artists will be able to wish it away and nor do I believe most of them do anyway.

Ivan_Melgar_M View Drop Down

Special Collaborator

Honorary Collaborator

Joined: April 27 2004
Location: Peru
Status: Offline
Points: 19551

Posted: November 10 2010 at 11:07

rogerthat wrote:

That's a choice of the band, they can resign to it when they want, or as King Crimson repeatedly did, suspend the show until the photos stop.

It's their right and property they can do whatever they want with.

Again...it's the artist's call, he may be happy and support it, he may not be pleased and sue you, in both cases I would support his call because he's the owner of the copyright.

Fripp probably would, but he is not "most people". Wink

There are no grey areas, it's pristine clear that the author or copyright holder own the EXCLUSIVE right to tape, film or photograph a performance, they are free to allow third parties to do the same or not.

Iván

Epignosis

Special Collaborator

Honorary Collaborator

Joined: December 30 2007
Location: Raeford, NC
Status: Offline
Points: 32530

Posted: November 10 2010 at 11:22

Evolver wrote:

There's not much any official authority can do to stop illegal downloading.

Maybe more unofficial channels would be more effective.

I suggest that Greg Lake take it up with a mafia kingpin.

Which begs the question:

Mr. Lake, has the Don ever seen your eyes?

https://epignosis.bandcamp.com/album/a-month-of-sundays

Snow Dog

Special Collaborator

Honorary Collaborator

Joined: March 23 2005
Location: Caerdydd
Status: Offline
Points: 32995

Posted: November 10 2010 at 11:26

Epignosis wrote:

Evolver wrote:

There's not much any official authority can do to stop illegal downloading.

Maybe more unofficial channels would be more effective.

I suggest that Greg Lake take it up with a mafia kingpin.

Which begs the question:

Mr. Lake, has the Don ever seen your eyes?

That was exactly my response. Couldn't you have varied it? Did a little imrov? This is a Prog forum! Geek

Padraic

Special Collaborator

Honorary Collaborator

Joined: February 16 2006
Location: Pennsylvania
Status: Offline
Points: 31169

Posted: November 10 2010 at 11:32

Evolver wrote:

There's not much any official authority can do to stop illegal downloading.

Maybe more unofficial channels would be more effective.

I suggest that Greg Lake take it up with a mafia kingpin.

Which begs the question:

Mr. Lake, has the Don ever seen your eyes?

Snow Dog

Special Collaborator

Honorary Collaborator

Joined: March 23 2005
Location: Caerdydd
Status: Offline
Points: 32995

Posted: November 10 2010 at 11:38

Padraic wrote:

Evolver wrote:

There's not much any official authority can do to stop illegal downloading.

Maybe more unofficial channels would be more effective.

I suggest that Greg Lake take it up with a mafia kingpin.

Which begs the question:

Mr. Lake, has the Don ever seen your eyes?

You see Rob? Padraic is really working it!

Kojak

Forum Senior Member

Joined: April 03 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 264

Posted: November 10 2010 at 13:08

Snow Dog wrote:

Nice try Lemming. Not sure I could be bothered to decode and answer one Moshkito post.

I know, I don't even bother reading them..

Adams Bolero View Drop Down

Forum Senior Member

Joined: January 07 2009
Location: Ireland
Status: Offline
Points: 679

Posted: November 10 2010 at 13:16

Kojak wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

Nice try Lemming. Not sure I could be bothered to decode and answer one Moshkito post.

I know, I don't even bother reading them..

I do not want this thread turning into a Moshkito bashing thread. This is about Greg lake's rant and not a place to insult people's posts.

''Nobody realizes that some people expend tremendous energy merely to be normal.''

- Albert Camus

Kojak

Forum Senior Member

Joined: April 03 2010
Status: Offline
Points: 264

Posted: November 10 2010 at 13:27

There was no insult, and I can say what I please....

Intruder

Forum Senior Member

Joined: May 13 2005
Status: Offline
Points: 2206

Posted: November 10 2010 at 18:31

That fat futhermucker has some nerve.....he and E and P have stolen dollars from my pocket and hours from my life with that pompous drivel they've put out over the years. Those "Beat the Bootleggers" boxes they've put out sound like they were recorded underwater but they still charge full boar for them.

Fat hypocrite....maybe we should actually have pity on him, he's obviously a dim-witted fellow that's had a whole lotta luck over the years. The best thing he's ever done was someone else's creation.

I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there.....