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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2010 at 10:22
^ What do you think? Read it and see!

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2010 at 10:33
GREG LAKE'S PERFECT!  ARE YOU?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2010 at 10:36
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

GREG LAKE'S PERFECT!  ARE YOU?

NEGATIVE! PIRATIVE! I NEVER LET YOU TAPE!
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2010 at 10:38
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

^ What do you think? Read it and see!

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I understand all of that.LOL  I mean what is really going on here as a result of the communication between the 2 of them? Can things really be worked out? They both seem like really cool people. Their knowledge, their intelligence etc. I find their posts on music truly interesting and informative. Just hope neither one of them bails out. That's one of the main reasons I come here....to read their posts. Thumbs Up
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2010 at 10:38
LOAD YOUR PROGRAM.  I HAVE YOUR IP ADDRESS.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2010 at 10:40
" Let the MACs of war be drawn...."
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2010 at 10:42
Originally posted by TODDLER TODDLER wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

^ What do you think? Read it and see!

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I understand all of that.LOL  I mean what is really going on here as a result of the communication between the 2 of them? Can things really be worked out? They both seem like really cool people. Their knowledge, their intelligence etc. I find their posts on music truly interesting and informative. Just hope neither one of them bails out. That's one of the main reasons I come here....to read their posts. Thumbs Up

Really? I have no answer to that. I'm just mystified.









(Exitthelemons posts are fine)
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2010 at 10:44
There's not much any official authority can do to stop illegal downloading.
Maybe more unofficial channels would be more effective.
I suggest that Greg Lake take it up with a mafia kingpin.
Which begs the question:
Mr. Lake, has the Don ever seen your eyes?


Edited by Evolver - November 10 2010 at 10:51
Trust me. I know what I'm doing.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2010 at 10:44
Originally posted by topographicbroadways topographicbroadways wrote:

taking a bootleg at a concert is NOT stealing bootlegging is basically taking a souvenir from the concert you payed to attend. If you then sell the bootleg you are in the wrong but you aren't stealing or costing the band any money. Some people seem to be misconstruing this for a comment against album piracy but it isn't this is about concert bootlegs which are just collectors items not serious alternatives to paying for music 

Completely false.

Despite the quality or whatever, the bootleg is an unauthorized copy of copyrighted material that only the owner is allowed to make.

Read your ticket to any show, it doesn't allow you to copy the performance and own it, sell it or give it for free, even if the author is not going to film that concert, he owns the rights of the music and you are stealing.

You are illegally copying material that only the owner of the copyright is entitled to duplicate.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2010 at 10:50
Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:

There's not much any official authority can do to stop illegal downloading.
Maybe more unofficial channels would be more effective.
I suggest that Greg Lake take it up with a mafia kingpin.
Which begs the question:
Mr. Lake, has the Don ever seen you eyes?
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2010 at 10:54
Originally posted by Ivan_Melgar_M Ivan_Melgar_M wrote:

 


Despite the quality or whatever, the bootleg is an unauthorized copy of copyrighted material that only the owner is allowed to make.

Read your ticket to any show, it doesn't allow you to copy the performance and own it, sell it or give it for free, even if the author is not going to film that concert, he owns the rights of the music and you are stealing.



On a detour, what is the legal position on photographs shot during the concert?  I think that they too are not allowed. Normally, cameras are frisked away at concerts these days, at least the ones that take place at arenas/stadia.  However, I have seen bands calling for fans to send across photos on facebook and I am talking really big bands here, not obscure artists who wouldn't mind souvenirs.  I have heard of musicians signing photographs taken by fans during concerts. 

I will also give you a hypothetical scenario:  let's say there's this band with a wonderful guitarist and on a particular concert night, he performs an incredible on the spot improv which gets much appreciated by the crowd but is not recorded by the band for subsequent distribution.  If somebody shot this improv on mobile camera and showed him the video, would he not feel glad and maybe even ask the fan to share it? There's no point in pretending that he will scowl, because most people won't.  Fripp probably would, but he is not "most people". Wink As is typical in most of these debates, the legal position is crystal clear but there is a grey area of emotions outside it and the fact that the grey area has no legal locus standi does not mean bands or artists will be able to wish it away and nor do I believe most of them do anyway.  
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2010 at 11:07
Originally posted by rogerthat rogerthat wrote:

 

On a detour, what is the legal position on photographs shot during the concert?  I think that they too are not allowed. Normally, cameras are frisked away at concerts these days, at least the ones that take place at arenas/stadia.  However, I have seen bands calling for fans to send across photos on facebook and I am talking really big bands here, not obscure artists who wouldn't mind souvenirs.  I have heard of musicians signing photographs taken by fans during concerts. 

That's a choice of the band, they can resign to it when they want, or as King Crimson repeatedly did, suspend the show until the photos stop.

It's their right and property they can do whatever they want with.

I will also give you a hypothetical scenario:  let's say there's this band with a wonderful guitarist and on a particular concert night, he performs an incredible on the spot improv which gets much appreciated by the crowd but is not recorded by the band for subsequent distribution.  If somebody shot this improv on mobile camera and showed him the video, would he not feel glad and maybe even ask the fan to share it? There's no point in pretending that he will scowl, because most people won't. 

Again...it's the artist's call, he may be happy and support it, he may not be pleased and sue you, in both cases I would support his call because he's the owner of the copyright.

 Fripp probably would, but he is not "most people". Wink As is typical in most of these debates, the legal position is crystal clear but there is a grey area of emotions outside it and the fact that the grey area has no legal locus standi does not mean bands or artists will be able to wish it away and nor do I believe most of them do anyway.  

There are no grey areas, it's pristine clear that the author or copyright holder own the EXCLUSIVE right to tape, film or photograph a performance, they are free to allow third parties to do the same or not.

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2010 at 11:22
Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:

There's not much any official authority can do to stop illegal downloading.
Maybe more unofficial channels would be more effective.
I suggest that Greg Lake take it up with a mafia kingpin.
Which begs the question:
Mr. Lake, has the Don ever seen your eyes?


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2010 at 11:26
Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:

There's not much any official authority can do to stop illegal downloading.
Maybe more unofficial channels would be more effective.
I suggest that Greg Lake take it up with a mafia kingpin.
Which begs the question:
Mr. Lake, has the Don ever seen your eyes?


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That was exactly my response. Couldn't you have varied it? Did a little imrov? This is a Prog forum!Geek


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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2010 at 11:32
Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:

There's not much any official authority can do to stop illegal downloading.
Maybe more unofficial channels would be more effective.
I suggest that Greg Lake take it up with a mafia kingpin.
Which begs the question:
Mr. Lake, has the Don ever seen your eyes?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2010 at 11:38
Originally posted by Padraic Padraic wrote:

Originally posted by Evolver Evolver wrote:

There's not much any official authority can do to stop illegal downloading.
Maybe more unofficial channels would be more effective.
I suggest that Greg Lake take it up with a mafia kingpin.
Which begs the question:
Mr. Lake, has the Don ever seen your eyes?

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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2010 at 13:08
Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Nice try Lemming. Not sure I could be bothered to decode and answer one Moshkito post.


I know, I don't even bother reading them..
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2010 at 13:16
Originally posted by Kojak Kojak wrote:

Originally posted by Snow Dog Snow Dog wrote:

Nice try Lemming. Not sure I could be bothered to decode and answer one Moshkito post.


I know, I don't even bother reading them..
I do not want this thread turning into a Moshkito bashing thread. This is about Greg lake's rant and not a place to insult people's posts.
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2010 at 13:27
There was no insult, and I can say what I please....
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Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 10 2010 at 18:31
That fat futhermucker has some nerve.....he and E and P have stolen dollars from my pocket and hours from my life with that pompous drivel they've put out over the years.  Those "Beat the Bootleggers" boxes they've put out sound like they were recorded underwater but they still charge full boar for them.
 
Fat hypocrite....maybe we should actually have pity on him, he's obviously a dim-witted fellow that's had a whole lotta luck over the years.  The best thing he's ever done was someone else's creation.
I like to feel the suspense when you're certain you know I am there.....
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