Greg Lake’s rant against bootlegs and piracy.

richardh wrote: TODDLER wrote: richardh wrote: All I deduce from this is that someone is not as well off as he used to be.   btw sheer genius Padraic What's that got to do with it? The point is his product is being stolen. Why does he have to live in the 2010 world? And do people need to attend every ELP concert? If ELP are on you tube if gives them more exposure? Give me a break. It's ridiculous. People need to see every concert of ELP? For what?   sorry I've read your post a few times and simply can't fathom what your point is   I have bought ELP product over and over and over . Most of there albums have been reissued 5 times on CD. I buy all of them. I buy their individual albums and DVD's as well and will always go to concerts when they tour as solo artists and pay whatever price they choose to charge.Greg should appreciate his fans not look down his nose at the likes of me. He is a prickly sod but this rant for me is completely out of order and will only serve to alienate fans like me who have helped to keep his bank balance reasonably healthy over the years (or at least thats what I thought)

You must be a fanatic for the band. I am looking at it from a different perspective. Realistically, how can every title from every band in the world be considered great? Musicans are human and make mistakes. Fans are human and sometimes delude themselves into believing that the musician can do no wrong, right in the midst of listening to their worse title. This does not apply to someone's personal preference consistently in the world. There is always the person who finds Popol Vuh's Yoga to be the outstanding title while the majority of reviews find it lack-luster.   I was a Crimson fan for years. I first heard them in 1972. By the time RED was released, I felt cheapness. I never liked U.S.A. either. RED to me was just crap back then and I still dislike it today. All my favorite bands have released stinkers at one time or another? I understand where you are going with this but, it is important sometimes to find things you dislike about your heroes as it is to like everything about them. To bend either way and to an extreme will not truly give your mind the chance to differ right from wrong unless your preference rules over everything. Which is why I often told prog friends....I realize that the album is weak to the 20 of you but, it personally affects me and I bought it. or....I realize that the 20 of you love and worship RED but, I just can't relate to it.

40footwolf wrote: Have you noticed that all of the people who posts these diatribes-the Gene Simmonses and Greg Lakes of the world-are all shambling husks of their former selves, both as people and as musicians?

Tony R wrote: I've spent thousands and thousands of pounds in Marks & Spencer's so tomorrow I am going to my local store to help myself to a couple of suits and maybe a roast chicken and some veggies. Seems fair enough doesn't it?

As far as the audio quality of bootlegs is concerned: Only those performances that are captured from so-called 'soundboard' recordings come anywhere near official legit releases of live albums. These recordings are taped direct from the mixing desk after a suitably complicit engineer is slipped some moola by a pirate. The alternative 'audience' tapes are almost invariably unlistenable and anyone parting with cash for such is a damn fool IMO. All of which certainly does not condone 'stealing' but perhaps some artists need to look a bit closer to home before casting the first stones in the fans direction for piracy.
If they exercised a bit more scrutiny to those staff directly in their employ (e.g. mixing desk operators) the proliferation of material deemed of sufficient audio quality to merit the exchange of cash, would diminish.

Breaking news:

Researchers discover how to erase memory

www.physorg.com/news/2010-11-erase-memory.html


If Greg Lake finds out this, we're doomed. You paid for a ticket for a 2 hour concert, you don't have a right to remember it or tell impressions to your friends. That specific cluster of organized neuron cells in your brain is Greg's property.

clarke2001 wrote: Breaking news: Researchers discover how to erase memory www.physorg.com/news/2010-11-erase-memory.html If Greg Lake finds out this, we're doomed. You paid for a ticket for a 2 hour concert, you don't have a right to remember it or tell impressions to your friends. That specific cluster of organized neuron cells in your brain is Greg's property.

I wonder if they can erase the memories of an Angelwitch gig I once attended?

Tony R wrote: clarke2001 wrote: Breaking news: Researchers discover how to erase memory www.physorg.com/news/2010-11-erase-memory.html If Greg Lake finds out this, we're doomed. You paid for a ticket for a 2 hour concert, you don't have a right to remember it or tell impressions to your friends. That specific cluster of organized neuron cells in your brain is Greg's property. I wonder if they can erase the memories of an Angelwitch gig I once attended?

Tony R wrote: If somebody takes my old broken TV from out my garage, it is still theft. Whether I pursue the matter by reporting the theft is very much up to me.

Edited by JLocke - November 08 2010 at 12:30

Alberto Muñoz wrote: ExittheLemming wrote: As far as the audio quality of bootlegs is concerned: Only those performances that are captured from so-called 'soundboard' recordings come anywhere near official legit releases of live albums. These recordings are taped direct from the mixing desk after a suitably complicit engineer is slipped some moola by a pirate. The alternative 'audience' tapes are almost invariably unlistenable and anyone parting with cash for such is a damn fool IMO. All of which certainly does not condone 'stealing' but perhaps some artists need to look a bit closer to home before casting the first stones in the fans direction for piracy. If they exercised a bit more scrutiny to those staff directly in their employ (e.g. mixing desk operators) the proliferation of material deemed of sufficient audio quality to merit the exchange of cash, would diminish.   Buying bootlegs is like you like to drink piss.

Ahh, takes me back to my student days...


 

Also the selling of the so called Bootlegs, affects Greg Lake Shows?, ELP shows?? (oh Sorry they RIP acording to Carl Palmer), affects selling of oficial material???, do you know how many hoarders and bootlegers sell unofficial material??? are they rich????