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Adams Bolero
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Topic: Greg Lake’s rant against bootlegs and piracy. Posted: November 03 2010 at 14:56 |
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I was amazed to see on his website that Greg posted a lengthy and sometimes bitter rant against people taping his shows and sharing them. I can see his reasons behind it but theirs no need to call some of his fans ‘’intellectually challenged’’. He coldly declares that he ‘’will have no hesitation whatsoever in commencing legal proceedings against you for the recovery of our property or compensation for the loss plus any damages.’’ That’s some way to treat fans who just like a recording of the show they have attended. His patronizing tone has almost put me off his music. I know Robert Fripp is like that but I don’t remember him calling his fans ‘’intellectually challenged’’. Here is the link http://www.greglake.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1276278713/0 You will need to be a member to read it. I will post the full text in the next comment. |
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Adams Bolero
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 14:57 | |
Here it is in full for those who aren’t members: ‘’Anyone taping shows and then distributing them to the general public is stealing. The fact that they are apparently giving these things away or "sharing them" as they sometimes like to put it is absolutely no excuse. |
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Snow Dog
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 14:58 | |
Fair comment.
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Adams Bolero
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 15:02 | |
Oh and ''Gill Gates'' is Greg's mistake not mine. Someone posted on his forum that it's ''Bill's similarly well-off evil twin.'' |
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 15:08 | |
Yeah, donuts aren't cheap, gotta protect yourself from the lost revenue from sh*tty youtube uploads.
Ummm....The nerdier people may correct me here, but I'm pretty sure this makes no sense.
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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Snow Dog
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 15:11 | |
Thats because its a rant. Edited by Snow Dog - November 03 2010 at 15:12 |
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Padraic
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 15:23 | |
All I can picture is some nerdy kid in a basement downloading ELP when suddenly a big armadillo breaks through the wall. "Looks like you're not a lucky man!"
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Roland113
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 15:26 | |
Thank you, you just made my day. |
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-------someone please tell him to delete this line, he looks like a noob-------
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J-Man
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 15:26 | |
I hate to say this, but I've lost a little bit of respect for Greg Lake after reading that.
Does he honestly think that crappy YouTube uploads are killing the music business? All YouTube uploads do is give a band more exposure. No one's seriously going to say "I saw a bootleg of Karn Evil 9 on YouTube, so I now I refuse to buy Brain Salad Surgery or ever see ELP live". It just doesn't work that way. Although bootlegging and sharing the MP3's could be considered piracy, the same thing applies to a lesser extent here as well. No one is going to say "I have a bootlegged version of Karn Evil 9, so I won't ever see ELP live". Maybe he's just greedy, and doesn't want his fans hearing his work live. It's impossible to go to every concert, and for die-hard fans, bootlegs are great. It gives his fans an opportunity to hear his performances that they couldn't attend. I do, however, understand his stance, but calling his fans "intellectually challenged" is stepping over the line IMO. |
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Easy Livin
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 15:31 | |
Speaking personally (not as an admin) I think the thread title is unfortunate. "Greg lake speaks..etc." would have been better, leaving it to the ensuing debate to ponder whether it's a rant or not.
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Kojak
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 15:32 | |
I'm kinda inclined to agree with you, J-Man. I buy approximately 90% of what I find on youtube. For me, it's like a big advert, it's how I hunt down music and films, etc, that I like. Infact, if I can't check something out on youtube or similar and have no other way of checking it out, like from a friend, I probably won't buy it. There's just too much stuff out there, I can't buy it all, I need to test it first.
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TheGazzardian
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 15:35 | |
The way he said it is incorrect, he's probably talking about your IP Address. Which there are ways around, but if you are using those, chances are pirating musical performances isn't your interest so much as hacking.
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mourningknight
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 15:36 | |
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JLocke
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 15:43 | |
Greg Lake isn't very smart these days, is he? Poor man...
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Epignosis
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 15:52 | |
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J-Man
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 15:59 | |
Exactly my point. I can't tell you how many bands I've checked out thanks to MP3 or YouTube samples. Without those, I would have no idea what the band sounds like. Now, for most people, this isn't the case with ELP - most people already know what ELP sounds like. However, online YouTube videos are just as equally good, except for different reason. Since ELP has a big following, it gives their fans a chance to check out their latest shows. There's really no downside to YouTube clips, from any perspective. The reason why some bands aren't selling well is because of piracy of albums, not bootlegs. Keep in mind that you can't buy a bootleg directly from a band, thus the artist isn't losing any business from bootlegging. If anything, the artist is just gaining more exposure. The artist may be losing money from downloading of full-length albums. Blaming this on bootlegs is just a silly thing to do IMO. |
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richardh
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 16:19 | |
All I deduce from this is that someone is not as well off as he used to be.
btw sheer genius Padraic
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clarke2001
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 16:28 | |
I went to a gallery; there was an Picasso exhibition. If friend of mine took a photo of me with famous Picasso's painting, and if I publish that photo on Facebook, is that a crime?
Downloading loads of albums via torrents is one thing, but a crappy bootleg? Give me a break. |
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Adams Bolero
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 16:28 | |
The post of the month!
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The Wrinkler
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Posted: November 03 2010 at 16:30 | |
Rofl |
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