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crimson87 
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 Posted: November 01 2010 at 18:21 |
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I dont hate halloween , I just dislike the fact that there are a lot of posers in my country who celebrate this holidays just becouse they saw them on tv and come from abroad , Halloween , St Patricks day... whats next ... thanksgiving???
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clarke2001
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Posted: November 01 2010 at 18:23 |
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Halloween is more or less a new thing over here, and you will notice it only by balloons with spiderweb and witches drawings on it. It's interesting, you can find these only in Irish pubs - I guess they're the only Anglo-Saxon oriented bars here. Youngsters who are into goth/dark thing may add some extra make-up or dress up in more 'vampire' style. That's about it.
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Finnforest
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Posted: November 01 2010 at 18:29 |
 JLocke wrote:
Finnforest wrote:
I enjoy it. Reminds me of being a kid in the 70s. And watching Charlie Brown and the Great Pumpkin with my brother.
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That special is far superior to the Christmas one. It actually teaches kids something I can respect. |
What's wrong with the Xmas one? It has an anti-commercialism message.
You probably don't like the Jesus speech. Fair enough. I actually find
it refreshing even if I'm not the most religious guy. Just waiting for
the PC police to dub over the baby Jesus speech with "people of all
faith traditions" to make it diversity acceptable.  Charles Schultz would be spinning
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JLocke
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Posted: November 01 2010 at 18:36 |
I could care less about political-correctness. Christmas has more to do with paganism than religion, and telling kids the birth of baby Jesus is ''what Christmath ith all about, Charlie Brown'' irritates me, that's all. The Great Pumpkin teaches kids to not believe in something blindly, which is a far more moral message, as far as I'm concerned.
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Slartibartfast
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Posted: November 01 2010 at 18:40 |
Hate Halloween? Yeah? Well why don't you go bob for apples and don't come up. 
Edited by Slartibartfast - November 01 2010 at 18:40
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Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened... 
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Finnforest
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Posted: November 01 2010 at 18:42 |
Whatever floats your boat Micah  . Are you saying you *don't* believe in the Great Pumpkin? C'mon man!! He's coming...next year....for sure! 
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JLocke
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Posted: November 01 2010 at 19:04 |
Finnforest wrote:
Whatever floats your boat Micah. |
Well, as long as I don't have to sit with you in a pumpkin patch all night long, I think I can humor ya.  |
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thellama73
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Posted: November 01 2010 at 19:14 |
Halloween is my favorite holiday, so I guess I hate you for hating it!
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Epignosis
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Posted: November 01 2010 at 19:18 |
JLocke wrote:
I could care less about political-correctness. Christmas has more to do with paganism than religion, and telling kids the birth of baby Jesus is ''what Christmath ith all about, Charlie Brown'' irritates me, that's all. The Great Pumpkin teaches kids to not believe in something blindly, which is a far more moral message, as far as I'm concerned. |
So paganism isn't religion? 
Anyway, I get tickled at the whole "But Christmas was taken from paganism!" I've explained why this doesn't invalidate the Christian meaning associated with Christmas before here, but no one cared.
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JLocke
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Posted: November 01 2010 at 19:28 |
My bad. I should have said 'Christianity', but then the wording would have been confusing, I assumed. I never said it invalidated the Christian meaning, but the fact that the famous face of Christmas involves much more of the rituals and customs associated with the pagan religion, I find it ironic how that never seems to ever be acknowledged. I know Charlie Brown is for kids, so the whole pagan thing would seem odd and inappropriate, but I still personally disagree with the spoon-fed message. Even when I was a Christian, I was against it.
Plus, The Great Pumpkin is better-written and funnier.
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thellama73
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Posted: November 01 2010 at 19:33 |
JLocke wrote:
My bad. I should have said 'Christianity', but then the wording would have been confusing, I assumed. I never said it invalidated the Christian meaning, but the fact that the famous face of Christmas involves much more of the rituals and customs associated with the pagan religion, I find it ironic how that never seems to ever be acknowledged. I know Charlie Brown is for kids, so the whole pagan thing would seem odd and inappropriate, but I still personally disagree with the spoon-fed message. Even when I was a Christian, I was against it.
Plus, The Great Pumpkin is better-written and funnier. |
I don't think it's ironic. I think it's smart business. When the Romans brought Christianity to Britain, they figured they could get it catch on easier if they let the locals hold onto some of their rituals and symbolism, but imbue them with the message of Christianity. The fact that it's a pine tree and when there are no pine trees in Jerusalem wasn't important, it's the message that was important. Makes total sense to me.
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Epignosis
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Posted: November 01 2010 at 19:37 |
thellama73 wrote:
JLocke wrote:
My bad. I should have said 'Christianity', but then the wording would have been confusing, I assumed. I never said it invalidated the Christian meaning, but the fact that the famous face of Christmas involves much more of the rituals and customs associated with the pagan religion, I find it ironic how that never seems to ever be acknowledged. I know Charlie Brown is for kids, so the whole pagan thing would seem odd and inappropriate, but I still personally disagree with the spoon-fed message. Even when I was a Christian, I was against it.
Plus, The Great Pumpkin is better-written and funnier. |
I don't think it's ironic. I think it's smart business. When the Romans brought Christianity to Britain, they figured they could get it catch on easier if they let the locals hold onto some of their rituals and symbolism, but imbue them with the message of Christianity. The fact that it's a pine tree and when there are no pine trees in Jerusalem wasn't important, it's the message that was important. Makes total sense to me.
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It's even more elementary than that. Here in the 21st century, we debate and have to attack a person's entire worldview. Early Christians didn't do this. Paul didn't tell the Athenians they were wrong for being polytheists, he found an altar "To an unknown god" and he told them, "Let me tell you about this God you missed."
That's why I say Christianity is not a culture. Christianity can grow in almost any culture with some tweaking. Christmas and Easter reflects this. 
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Finnforest
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Posted: November 01 2010 at 19:45 |
JLocke wrote:
Finnforest wrote:
Whatever floats your boat Micah. |
I assume you're a believer, then. At least you can take my frankness lightheartedly. |
As I've always said, and still say, I don't know what I believe in regards to the prime mover. "I don't know" has always seemed the only honest answer to me in terms of the big G. All faith traditions, and non-belief as well, are pure speculation as I see it. But I see nothing harmful about the message of Charlie Brown xmas. Whether I believe it or not doesn't matter to me---its a heartwarming message, positive, and delivered with Schultz's dry humor. And sometimes I'd really like to believe it. Maybe someday.
Edited by Finnforest - November 01 2010 at 19:46
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JLocke
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Posted: November 01 2010 at 19:46 |
thellama73 wrote:
JLocke wrote:
My bad. I should have said 'Christianity', but then the wording would have been confusing, I assumed. I never said it invalidated the Christian meaning, but the fact that the famous face of Christmas involves much more of the rituals and customs associated with the pagan religion, I find it ironic how that never seems to ever be acknowledged. I know Charlie Brown is for kids, so the whole pagan thing would seem odd and inappropriate, but I still personally disagree with the spoon-fed message. Even when I was a Christian, I was against it.
Plus, The Great Pumpkin is better-written and funnier. |
I don't think it's ironic. I think it's smart business. When the Romans brought Christianity to Britain, they figured they could get it catch on easier if they let the locals hold onto some of their rituals and symbolism, but imbue them with the message of Christianity. The fact that it's a pine tree and when there are no pine trees in Jerusalem wasn't important, it's the message that was important. Makes total sense to me.
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So, as long as they could indoctrinate people into their way of thinking, any necessary tweaks to make the takeover a bit easier to swallow was acceptable. Okay, I can see that.
But why is it that modern Christians often don't acknowledge that such an event ever took place? Hell, plenty of Christians I know aren't even aware that December 25 wasn't Jesus' actual birthday, or that Bethlehem may not have even been the right location. I just think when a single holiday has so many different meanings to different people, and has multiple origins, acting as if the ''true meaning'' behind it all is one specific thing seems a bit historically dishonest.
Perhaps I'm reading way too much into it, and shouldn't care less. But regardless, A Charlie Brown Christmas < It's The Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown
Edited by JLocke - November 01 2010 at 19:59
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Epignosis
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Posted: November 01 2010 at 19:51 |
JLocke wrote:
But why is it that modern Christians often don't acknowledge that such an event ever took place? Hell, plenty of Christians I know aren't even aware that December 25 wasn't Jesus' actual birthday, or that Jerusalem may not have even been the right location. I just think when a single holiday has so many different meanings to different people, and has multiple origins, acting as if the ''true meaning'' behind it all is one specific thing seems a bit historically dishonest.
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It isn't dishonest. It's ignorance. That's all.Speaking of which, Jesus wasn't said to be born in Jerusalem.*
*Unless you are Mormon.
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JLocke
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Posted: November 01 2010 at 20:00 |
^ The error is fixed. Honest oversight. 
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Lark the Starless
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Posted: November 01 2010 at 20:14 |
Halloween is alright. I don't hate it, but it's not something I love.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, I would take my children trick-or-treating and be happy with it  |
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stonebeard
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Posted: November 01 2010 at 20:16 |
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Doesn't it get tiring hating things other people take pleasure from?
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JLocke
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Posted: November 01 2010 at 20:18 |
stonebeard wrote:
Doesn't it get tiring hating things other people take pleasure from?
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Depends. Would you ever tire of detesting child pornography? Plenty of folks seem to take pleasure from that.
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Henry Plainview
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Posted: November 01 2010 at 20:23 |
JLocke wrote:
stonebeard wrote:
Doesn't it get tiring hating things other people take pleasure from? |
Depends. Would you ever tire of detesting child pornography? Plenty of folks seem to take pleasure from that. |
Oh come on, have the children's costumes really gotten that slutty? ;-)
I find Halloween kind of annoying, really, but it's interesting that the dress like a hooker aspect has gotten so popular. I was in NYC for Halloween last year and I was astounded by what girls we walking around in at all, much less at night in October.
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if you own a sodastream i hate you
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