What is the white culture ?

Equality 7-2521 wrote: Logan wrote: There are/ have been racists in the Tea Party. From the article I listed before: Billy Roper, who heads the white supremacist White Revolution group, based in Arkansas, is listed as an organizer on a Tea Party movement Web site. In a June 2009 post to the White Revolution blog, Roper claimed to be organizing a Tea Party in Arkansas and sending White Revolution "representatives who will be witnessing and converting lost souls at Tea Parties from North Carolina to Arizona." See this: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677//vp/38286428#38286428 Now I don't think he was a Tea Party sponsored candidate (National party), but he was apparently an official organiser. Looking into other material, I'm not even sure if that is true about him being an "official" organiser.  He has been apart of a push to bring the White Supremacy message to Tea Party rallies. And is there any truth to this? http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100517074206AAixdyl On another note, I've read it before, but don't have a link, but Roper does say that he believes in the constitution, but he interprets it in a discriminatory way. He may feel that certain later amendments go against the spirit of the Founding Fathers message (13th Amendment and wants to get back to the roots). Oops, don't know why whenever I get into such discussions they seem to get a lot less lively. I've rarely managed to ingratiate myself, or raise interesting enough points/ questions, for anyone to even respond in any depth, let alone feel like I'm contributing to the fabric of a thread.   I'll say upfront I didn't bother clicking on any links. So are you trying to say that because a white supremacist is a member of the tea party, possibly an organizer, that we can then infer that most the them believe in white supremacy?

No, of course not, that would be a stupid thing to say. Why would you think I'm trying to say that? If I were trying to say that, then I would have said it. lol

The White Supremacists are using the Tea Party campaigns to further their message.  What I am saying is that it appears that there has been support for known White Supremacists in the Tea Party, and that there are White Supremacists who support the Tea Party that consider their views to be in-line with the founding father's beliefs (consider themselves believers in the Constitution even if they may disagree with later amendments).  What I don't know is how tolerant the big-names in the movement, and many of the Tea Party supporters, are of such people.  How much they have been publicly ostracised and how much have they tried to distance themselves from such people. And there's the question of how much they should do that -- how exclusive and tolerant they should be.  I don't think having known White Supremacists as organisers is a good idea, but I guess they should still be able to join in on the activist activities.  And, anyway, in a way such intolerance of White Rule people would go against a belief in constitutional freedoms. There are racists in most groups, but the Tea Party has come under fire for fostering, or at least habouring and being tolerant of, White Nationals. According to one article I read, thousands of Tea Party activists are supporting David Duke for President.  That said, the White Nationals are trying to use the Tea Party for their own purposes.

It goes back to what I said to Rob a little earlier in the thread about every group having its nutjob extremists, "What I would say is that if a group seems at-all tolerant of its nutjob extremists, then I am less tolerant of the group."

And I'm sure you know far more about this as I know more about Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms than the US constitution, and actually thought it would be the point you'd leap on since you were talking about The Tea Party's support for the Constitution: There are White Supremacists who claim they believe in the Constitution (at least in its original form) who do not think that amendments were justified as they go against the spirit of the Founding Fathers' vision. Slavery was not abolished until the, 1870s, 1860's (I don't remember, been ages since I studied US history) and an amendment was passed to the Constitution at that time. They might see that as unconstitutional, but also the Constitution has been quite open to interpretation, right?

Re David Duke, he claims that thousands of Tea Party movement activists support him as future US President.  I don't know if that's true, probably exaggerated (his propaganda to make himself seem more popular/ accepted) but as I said the Tea Party has actively tried to infiltrate/ use the Tea Party movement, and use it as a platform and way to gain support and members of its cause (recruit people there, and spread the message there, because they think that many at such rallies will be receptive to their message, which says something, I think, as does the fact that prominent White Nation people would consider aligning itself/ identifying with The Tea Party). So there are many White Nation activists associating themselves with the Tea Party.  Maybe they agree with the basic claims of the tea Party, some of those White Supremacists call themselves Libertarian and Constitutionalists, but they have their own agenda..

Anyway, I was hoping for more insight as an outsider from the pundits here.

EDITED for typos and some more thoughts.


Edited by Logan - September 01 2010 at 18:05

Finnforest wrote:

LOL
to be fair....
Did you already forget Georgy Boy?

"If you disagree with me/the war on terror/republicans you are WEAK ON TERROR!"
Dems will flood our nation with terrorists!

In the US ALL dissent is treated as anti american, lets be realistic here.
Libs in power, conservative dissent is anti american
Cons in power, liberal dissent is anti american.

Pure f**king democracy right there

George Bush is not someone I make a point to defend, though I don't remember him saying what you quote. 

Yeah, both sides play games, but the Left's attempt to characterize conservatives broadly as racists is beyond pathetic.  It's really despicable.  It also hurts minorities because the public simply becomes weary of constant racism evocation and "boy who cried wolf" theory begins to creep in. 

A small number of whites hate blacks because of skin color, and a small number of blacks hate whites.  It has little to do with one's political views.

Finnforest wrote: George Bush is not someone I make a point to defend, though I don't remember him saying what you quote.  Yeah, both sides play games, but the Left's attempt to characterize conservatives broadly as racists is beyond pathetic.  It's really despicable.  It also hurts minorities because the public simply becomes weary of constant racism evocation and "boy who cried wolf" theory begins to creep in.  A small number of whites hate blacks because of skin color, and a small number of blacks hate whites.  It has little to do with one's political views.

He never said it. But by quoting it I made it seem so
Political Science degree!!!

Anyway yeah that was my point.
There is never respect for dissent.
Whoever is in power the opposition is satan and hates America

Logan wrote: Equality 7-2521 wrote: Logan wrote: There are/ have been racists in the Tea Party. From the article I listed before: Billy Roper, who heads the white supremacist White Revolution group, based in Arkansas, is listed as an organizer on a Tea Party movement Web site. In a June 2009 post to the White Revolution blog, Roper claimed to be organizing a Tea Party in Arkansas and sending White Revolution "representatives who will be witnessing and converting lost souls at Tea Parties from North Carolina to Arizona." See this: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677//vp/38286428#38286428 Now I don't think he was a Tea Party sponsored candidate (National party), but he was apparently an official organiser. Looking into other material, I'm not even sure if that is true about him being an "official" organiser.  He has been apart of a push to bring the White Supremacy message to Tea Party rallies. And is there any truth to this? http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100517074206AAixdyl On another note, I've read it before, but don't have a link, but Roper does say that he believes in the constitution, but he interprets it in a discriminatory way. He may feel that certain later amendments go against the spirit of the Founding Fathers message (13th Amendment and wants to get back to the roots). Oops, don't know why whenever I get into such discussions they seem to get a lot less lively. I've rarely managed to ingratiate myself, or raise interesting enough points/ questions, for anyone to even respond in any depth, let alone feel like I'm contributing to the fabric of a thread.   I'll say upfront I didn't bother clicking on any links. So are you trying to say that because a white supremacist is a member of the tea party, possibly an organizer, that we can then infer that most the them believe in white supremacy? No, of course not, that would be a stupid thing to say. Why would you think I'm trying to say that? If I were trying to say that, then I would have said it. lol The White Supremacists are using the Tea Party campaigns to further their message.  What I am saying is that it appears that there has been support for known White Supremacists in the Tea Party, and that there are White Supremacists who support the Tea Party that consider their views to be in-line with the founding father's beliefs (consider themselves believers in the Constitution even if they may disagree with later amendments).  What I don't know is how tolerant the big-names in the movement, and many of the Tea Party supporters, are of such people.  How much they have been publicly ostracised and how much have they tried to distance themselves from such people. And there's the question of how much they should do that -- how exclusive and tolerant they should be.  I don't think having known White Supremacists as organisers is a good idea, but I guess they should still be able to join in on the activist activities.  And, anyway, in a way such intolerance of White Rule people would go against a belief in constitutional freedoms. There are racists in most groups, but the Tea Party has come under fire for fostering, or at least habouring and being tolerant of, White Nationals. According to one article I read, thousands of Tea Party activists are supporting David Duke for President.  That said, the White Nationals are trying to use the Tea Party for their own purposes. It goes back to what I said to Rob a little earlier in the thread about every group having its nutjob extremists, "What I would say is that if a group seems at-all tolerant of its nutjob extremists, then I am less tolerant of the group." And I'm sure you know far more about this as I know more about Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms than the US constitution, and actually thought it would be the point you'd leap on since you were talking about The Tea Party's support for the Constitution: There are White Supremacists who claim they believe in the Constitution (at least in its original form) who do not think that amendments were justified as they go against the spirit of the Founding Fathers' vision. Slavery was not abolished until the, 1870s, 1860's (I don't remember, been ages since I studied US history) and an amendment was passed to the Constitution at that time. They might see that as unconstitutional, but also the Constitution has been quite open to interpretation, right? Re David Duke, he claims that thousands of Tea Party movement activists support him as future US President.  I don't know if that's true, probably exaggerated (his propaganda to make himself seem more popular/ accepted) but as I said the Tea Party has actively tried to infiltrate/ use the Tea Party movement, and use it as a platform and way to gain support and members of its cause (recruit people there, and spread the message there, because they think that many at such rallies will be receptive to their message, which says something, I think, as does the fact that prominent White Nation people would consider aligning itself/ identifying with The Tea Party). So there are many White Nation activists associating themselves with the Tea Party.  Maybe they agree with the basic claims of the tea Party, some of those White Supremacists call themselves Libertarian and Constitutionalists, but they have their own agenda.. Anyway, I was hoping for more insight as an outsider from the pundits here. EDITED for typos and some more thoughts.

Finnforest wrote: Slart, you always have the best cartoons.  But when 90% of the cartooners out there are flaming liberals, you also have a much better selection to choose from.

That's probably a fair estimation.  Look up political humor at about.com, probably your best resource for conservative political cartoons you can link in.

Finnforest wrote: Slart: You're giving the opposition free cartoon intel.....very noble of you!!  John: Yeah, you know damn well the cat had no idea about the water.  He probably had a habit of checking out the tub every day......and this time he got burned bad by the humans

John?

Finnforest wrote: Sorry man....I could have SWORE your name was John.  Time #196 that I've F'ed up somebody's name in the forums.  I'm awful with names.  Logan?

All these years we've been friends and you don't even know my name. I'm so hurt....

Nah, just kidding. It's cool.

Rabid wrote: toroddfuglesteg wrote: Equality 7-2521 wrote: ITT: People respond to Glenn Beck's blatant over - generalizations which equally stupid generalizations of their own.  In that case, you can then answer my question(s). What is the white culture your president has been racist against ? Please answer.    Citizens of the USA, who can't get their own way, over mosque building, and denounce Obama as a muslim, because of it.   I agree...it does appear insensitive, but he's upholding the Constitution by allowing freedom of religious expression for ALL.   Personally, I think that Christian fundamentalists are dangerous, and should be fried.

You think that Christian fundamentalists should be electrocuted? I'm shocked and horrified that anyone here holds such an opinion.