What is the white culture ?

Equality 7-2521 wrote: Negoba wrote: Equality 7-2521 wrote: Actually there's no doubt to that being not what the Tea party was referring to.    What makes you say that? Beck seems to be more of a showman than anything and racist undertones, just enough but not too much, probably plays very well with his audience.   What do you think he was referring to?       Lets follow the logic here:   1) Tea Partiers believe in a government which can act only within the confines of the Consitution.   2) The Consitution prohibits slavery and in general protects the rights of every individual.   3) Therefore the tea partiers believe in KKK style white supremecy which holds that people of a certain skin color are intrinsically inferior to another.   Hmm? Doesn't seem to work.   Really to paint people as KKK racists from the term white culture than one supposed leader of the moment said? That's absolutely ridiculous. Let's be sane here. There's plenty of grounds to attack Beck on if you so chose. He's a war-monger, he spreads irrational fear of Muslims, but don't put the guy in a white hood on horseback.

Here's an article that I found rather interesting: http://www.adl.org/main_Extremism/White_Supremacists_July_4_Tea_Parties.htm

Epignosis wrote: Every group has their nutjob extremists.  Why do we tend to focus on them as though they are representative of the whole group?

Let's go back to the KKK for a minute...
Yes, it is a group that I have no problem characterizing as a bunch of nutjobs.  The Tea Party may have some reasonable people in it, but is heavily populated by whackjobs.  By the way, congratulations on your victory over Murkowski in Alaska.  I didn't really care for her ass, but I'm not sure if her replacement will actually be an improvement.

Negoba wrote: Equality 7-2521 wrote: Negoba wrote: Equality 7-2521 wrote: Actually there's no doubt to that being not what the Tea party was referring to.    What makes you say that? Beck seems to be more of a showman than anything and racist undertones, just enough but not too much, probably plays very well with his audience.   What do you think he was referring to?       Lets follow the logic here:   1) Tea Partiers believe in a government which can act only within the confines of the Consitution.   2) The Consitution prohibits slavery and in general protects the rights of every individual.   3) Therefore the tea partiers believe in KKK style white supremecy which holds that people of a certain skin color are intrinsically inferior to another.   Hmm? Doesn't seem to work.   Really to paint people as KKK racists from the term white culture than one supposed leader of the moment said? That's absolutely ridiculous. Let's be sane here. There's plenty of grounds to attack Beck on if you so chose. He's a war-monger, he spreads irrational fear of Muslims, but don't put the guy in a white hood on horseback.   You're reaching man.   Racism to the point of KKK ideology is rare but not as rare as it should be. I have no doubt some of those folks are in the ranks of the so-called Tea Party. But clearly the majority of the group are not there.   Though there would certainly be backlash against any Democrat that had taken the Presidency in these times (especially since the economy was going to tank regardless of incumbent) the strength of this group is almost certainly sharpened by Obama's race. At the same time, I don't think any other Democrat could have beaten John McCain (especially if he'd had a more reasonable running mate.) Some folks (regardless of party) are probably irked because of the idea that Obama was elected just because of the novelty of his race. Whether he likes it or not, race is his defining characteristic because he's first.   PC is an old term now, but there is some difficulty saying things out loud that are simply true.

Equality 7-2521 wrote: Negoba wrote: Equality 7-2521 wrote: Negoba wrote: Equality 7-2521 wrote: Actually there's no doubt to that being not what the Tea party was referring to.    What makes you say that? Beck seems to be more of a showman than anything and racist undertones, just enough but not too much, probably plays very well with his audience.   What do you think he was referring to?       Lets follow the logic here:   1) Tea Partiers believe in a government which can act only within the confines of the Consitution.   2) The Consitution prohibits slavery and in general protects the rights of every individual.   3) Therefore the tea partiers believe in KKK style white supremecy which holds that people of a certain skin color are intrinsically inferior to another.   Hmm? Doesn't seem to work.   Really to paint people as KKK racists from the term white culture than one supposed leader of the moment said? That's absolutely ridiculous. Let's be sane here. There's plenty of grounds to attack Beck on if you so chose. He's a war-monger, he spreads irrational fear of Muslims, but don't put the guy in a white hood on horseback.   You're reaching man.   Racism to the point of KKK ideology is rare but not as rare as it should be. I have no doubt some of those folks are in the ranks of the so-called Tea Party. But clearly the majority of the group are not there.   Though there would certainly be backlash against any Democrat that had taken the Presidency in these times (especially since the economy was going to tank regardless of incumbent) the strength of this group is almost certainly sharpened by Obama's race. At the same time, I don't think any other Democrat could have beaten John McCain (especially if he'd had a more reasonable running mate.) Some folks (regardless of party) are probably irked because of the idea that Obama was elected just because of the novelty of his race. Whether he likes it or not, race is his defining characteristic because he's first.   PC is an old term now, but there is some difficulty saying things out loud that are simply true.   Yes me the person who refuses to make sweeping generalizations about an entire group of people, ascribing to them an extreme deregoatory stance, based on a single misunderstood two word term spoken by one person is the one who is reaching.   That makes sense.     I keep telling myself not to come back into this thread because it's so stupid, but I have poor self-control apparently.

Slartibartfast wrote: Equality 7-2521 wrote: You appear to be a camel.  Beige Power!!! Seriously if you want to talk about culture, let's talk about US vs. UK culture.  We're mostly "white". yet distinctly different.  Glen Beck is a racist moron and gets more attention than he deserves.

It's that chalkboard that he takes everywhere with him. He derives his power from it. Separate him from the chalkboard and he is nothing.

Not that it matters, but I did qualify my statements fairly carefully. Maybe you could find the statement that is the real problem.

There are/ have been racists in the Tea Party. From the article I listed before:

Billy Roper, who heads the white supremacist White Revolution group, based in Arkansas, is listed as an organizer on a Tea Party movement Web site. In a June 2009 post to the White Revolution blog, Roper claimed to be organizing a Tea Party in Arkansas and sending White Revolution "representatives who will be witnessing and converting lost souls at Tea Parties from North Carolina to Arizona."

See this:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677//vp/38286428#38286428

Now I don't think he was a Tea Party sponsored candidate (National party), but he was apparently an official organiser. Looking into other material, I'm not even sure if that is true about him being an "official" organiser.  He has been apart of a push to bring the White Supremacy message to Tea Party rallies.

And is there any truth to this? http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100517074206AAixdyl

On another note, I've read it before, but don't have a link, but Roper does say that he believes in the constitution, but he interprets it in a discriminatory way. He may feel that certain later amendments go against the spitit of the Founding Fathers message (13th Amendment and wants to get back to the roots).

Oops, don't know why whenever I get into such discussions they seem to get a lot less lively. I've rarely managed to ingratiate myself, or raise interesting enough points/ questions, for anyone to even respond in any depth, let alone feel like I'm contributing to the fabric of a thread.


Edited by Logan - September 01 2010 at 15:08

Logan wrote: There are/ have been racists in the Tea Party. From the article I listed before: Billy Roper, who heads the white supremacist White Revolution group, based in Arkansas, is listed as an organizer on a Tea Party movement Web site. In a June 2009 post to the White Revolution blog, Roper claimed to be organizing a Tea Party in Arkansas and sending White Revolution "representatives who will be witnessing and converting lost souls at Tea Parties from North Carolina to Arizona." See this: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677//vp/38286428#38286428 Now I don't think he was a Tea Party sponsored candidate (National party), but he was apparently an official organiser. Looking into other material, I'm not even sure if that is true about him being an "official" organiser.  He has been apart of a push to bring the White Supremacy message to Tea Party rallies. And is there any truth to this? http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100517074206AAixdyl On another note, I've read it before, but don't have a link, but Roper does say that he believes in the constitution, but he interprets it in a discriminatory way. He may feel that certain later amendments go against the spitit of the Founding Fathers message (13th Amendment and wants to get back to the roots). Oops, don't know why whenever I get into such discussions they seem to get a lot less lively. I've rarely managed to ingratiate myself, or raise interesting enough points/ questions, for anyone to even respond in any depth, let alone feel like I'm contributing to the fabric of a thread.

In some of your responses you talked about me characterizing a group rather recklesslessly. I don't think I did.