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Points: 3281 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 27 2010 at 20:05

There is some hope that an increase in incidents like this may actually reduce the amount of wars and killing that occur in the first place. If all your dirty little details of various operations are going to end up on the internet, perhaps it's best not to perform them in the first place.

Unfortunately, this only works for organisations that have appearances to keep up. It is not going to discourage terrorist groups.
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That would be nice but yeah, doubtful.
Its more the principle of it. As someone said, a lot of us really knew this already. Its more just getting all the info out there, ya know the whole transparency thing.

And I did see one fair point: A lot of the targets are "safe" targets. Would like to see some info North Korea lets say
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Points: 16715 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2010 at 07:00
At first I didn't really care, but I read today that the documents had the names of Afganis who provided information to the US. If that's true (and I am not going to read them myself to verify), that's a major dick move. Maybe Julian Assange would like to take them into his house? And I don't see the truth benefit of disclosing US military tactics

JJ, how exactly would he get information about North Korea?
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Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 29 2010 at 10:35
Revealing information about abuse from the part of soldiers is something I agree with. Disclosing military tactics is something I don't. It's just "freedom of information" for its own sake... Sometimes there's a greater good that has to be considered... 
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Originally posted by The T The T wrote:

Revealing information about abuse from the part of soldiers is something I agree with. Disclosing military tactics is something I don't. It's just "freedom of information" for its own sake... Sometimes there's a greater good that has to be considered... 


Well I'd say the war is screwed now, and more so given that our allies were working against us
LOL apparently people in the gvmt knew that already Wacko so I dont care about threatening the war effort per se.
But, if you were referring to the names and positions, etc (like Henry mentioned) than that I do have a problem. Exposing a lot of innocent people, just doing their job or helping.
Yeah, abuse is great to get out and expose, but this guy could've at least left out/blocked names and info that was unnecessary.

And its a sticky wicket. On one had I am for free information, but civilian casualties? Friendly fire? General disorder? Isn't this just the case with war? The Pakistani news was big, but yeah, talk is that we knew about that already! Besides the fact its out there for everyone not much actually "good" will come from this.

And how should I know Henry? These hackers are crazy, I can barely handle my mp3 player programs! They'll find some way. Or someone on the inside has to do it I guess. Just an example I threw out as the most oppressive country.


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http://www.newsweek.com/2010/07/30/taliban-says-it-will-target-names-exposed-by-wikileaks.html
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Points: 34550 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: July 31 2010 at 02:15
Well things are gunna get even more fun over there now!
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I read about that site yesterday in the paper. As a citizen of a country that fights against terror everyday I still think that when things are done wrong somebody has to find a way to tell us about it. Too often under the excuse of "National security" the authorities hides evil (and yes, this is also very true in my country).
50 years ago soldiers in Israel killed honest  farmers returning to their homes cause they were out in the streets when not aloud (and they even did not know they were not aloud) and there was a big trial about it. The soldiers were convicted according to the claim some things are so wrong that you must disobey and in the end it is everyone's responsibility (none of us can hide under "I were only doing what I were told"). I think this also answers the Auschwitz question.
I know I may surprise you but I honestly think that abusing, killing honest people and those sort of things are wrong and should be treated as crimes and I think this site does a very good job in preventing same things to keep happen. I do not believe that this information helps the enemy (actualy killing honest people do help the enemy by proving that your side is wrong and mean).
As some of you may say, this is not the idea of the majority in Israel and perhaps this is one of the reasons why the Israeli - Palestinian conflict lives so long.
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Points: 771 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2010 at 11:30
I think there is a bit of short-selling the craftiness of governments here. They are fully capable of using this "tool" to their advantage to post false leaks; just as they have used double agents, propaganda, and disinformation all too well in the past.
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Points: 3281 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 01 2010 at 18:27
RP raises a good point but that's not a reason to give up on disclosing documents you believe to be the truth. You just need to check and double check and have the best intelligence you can before you act.
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Points: 29630 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: August 08 2010 at 17:14
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Points: 22989 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2010 at 12:47


Brilliant LOL
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Points: 34083 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2010 at 13:08
^ eminem rippoff Stern Smile
 
LOL  but hysteriously funny,
 
which prooves the fact that HIP HOP is the best monitor fo the truth to the world, the only true source to bring the REAL message to the power elite,
 
they should aske Nas to write some lyrics regarding this
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Points: 34550 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2010 at 13:28
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And as we all know, wilileaks has done it again!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War_documents_leak
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Points: 242 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 28 2010 at 17:44
I don't get it.... the Wikileaks are all just DoD blabber to me. Sure, there are a few reports of civilian killings, but I don't see anything that is going to really rock the boat like all the pundits are saying, nor am I seeing the parallel with the Pentagon Papers, as Amy Goodman's Democracy Now has asserted. 
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Points: 34083 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2010 at 16:33
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Points: 29630 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2010 at 17:02
More on WikiLeaks: US embassy cables leak sparks global diplomatic crisis: • More than 250,000 dispatches reveal US foreign strategies • Diplomats ordered to spy on allies as well as enemies • Hillary Clinton leads frantic 'damage limitation'
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Points: 34083 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2010 at 17:08
^ yeah and all the nicknames head of states have gotten, Ahmedinejad as Hitler and Sarkozy a emperor with no clothes
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Points: 29630 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 28 2010 at 17:27
I don't like my government behaving like buttheads as long as I don't find out about it. Clown
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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Points: 8368 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: November 29 2010 at 11:49
I like the idea of keeping the government on its toes. I don't want them to get too cozy about keeping secrets from us. However, when the leaks are things like military strategy or names of undercover agents, that's not something I can support.
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