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And less than 12 hours from now I begin my temp job working for the man.
I've lucked out thus far, (the closest I came was cashier at Wegman's and that was not too bad) but now...
Job in an office!
And at the company that laid off my father Ermm  sellout much?

Nah, I actually applied there before it happened and he's looking in company still...but yeah...huzzah for menial work at a corporate office! But damn the pay is good considering the actual stuff I need to so...


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Oh dear, we've had issues in the past with people posting drunk Wink
Cool to talk to, make you think about things? Oh man, you MUST be drunk LOL
Well thank you, I try my best, I really do. And I've enjoyed it with you. As I said, you (well all of you) actually know what you're talking about. I'll debate, I just dont want to hear "I hate obama because hes: black/socialist/muslim/a democrat/he scares me etc" and I've joked before about Bush being the Anti Christ but I never really meant it LOL
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May be the beer talkin'...but I'll be damned if I don't like you JJ.  You've been really cool to talk to.

Edit:  Nope, not the beer.  Wink  You've gotten me to think about things I might otherwise not have.

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Originally posted by manofmystery manofmystery wrote:

People do need to do their own research but they also need to stop looking at each issue as a chance to join a "team".  We need more individualthink and less groupthink.


I wholeheartedly agree, and for everything not just policy--  however, when it comes to much if not most Federal action, one thing that is missed is that a significant number of Americans - like maybe over 50 % - essentially, more or less, on good days, like their government.  I know that's a shocker and highly unpopular these days (even for Libs), but if you ask the average U.S. citizen, especially those over 40 or so, if they like and want, say, Federal insurance for their bank account and dividends, border security, a Forest Service, Dept of Education, Coast Guard and strong military, the answer I suspect would be an overwhelming 'Yes'.






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Aw, this thread got serious again.

Well Anton I can't disagree about the media. In fact I don't at all.
It's like I said...use your brain, do some research. If you do, and still don't like Obama/Dems or hold conservative opinions that is 100% fine. This is still America, you can have any opinion you want. I just wish people would think of it on their own. And it goes both ways, I have no doubt there a lot of liberals that mindlessly absorb everything Olberman and Maddow say.
I personally watch MSNBC, but I do lots of my own research and just use the sh*t they say as a guide, I guess, and I certainly don't just take everything they say as gold and shut off the brain.

As for the government, yeah...I dont have a problem with term limits and why not have a vote/say with Ben Bernanke? Let me be benevolent dictator for a day and I'll fix these things Evil Smile
And I did NOT beat around the bush...you guys have been honest in here and so have I. I admitted my bias, Anton. I don't just take every position in the government as good and every business/leader as bad. But hey, I have my biases, I try my best not too but I'm human and I'll fully admit to them. Like I said, even if a consumption tax is something you guys like and ended up being "good" considering those who put it forward...I personally question their true motives behind it.


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I do agree with Robert that not being allowed to follow one's life choices is not a violation of the equal protection clause in the constitution. A serial killer is not permitted to follow his life choices, nor is a pedophile. This is not a violation of equal protection. However, I still have no problem with gay marriage.
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Don't take any offense to this JJLehto but you've given me a great example of the perception problem that we currently have in this country:
 
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:


And of course same to you, and everyone here. I'm just sick in the head, I like the debating.
Especially here, most people actually know what they are talking about and can challenge me.
Opposed to most I know who just absorb and spit out everything they hear from FOX news or Rush Limbaugh. I get so sick of hearing "AHHH! THE GOVERNMENT! Too big government yadda yadda" when I know they have no actual idea what they are saying. If you are of that opinion it's fine, just use your brain and decide it for you.
 
Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:


As for consumption tax, my final words echo that sentiment. I know you Rob don't like it for this reason, but it is really another way to let the wealthy escape. The Fair Tax Act was put forward by a group created by Businessmen...to me that already casts a shadow on the motives behind it, and it has been pushed in Congress by John Linder, who represents a very wealthy district in GA.
 
A lot of people have been trained to view the government as a force for good and private industry as a force for evil.  People are people: going into business does not make them automatically evil and going into government doesn't make them automatically good, and vice versa.  The problem with these perceptions is that while the market can correct business, and take away whatever powers it gave it, it can not do the same for government.  Sure, politicians can be voted out (not that they are: it took former Klansmen Robert C. Byrd's heart giving out at age 92 to get him out of his cushy Senate seat) but when do we get to vote on say, Ben Bernanke?  Chairman of the Fed is a far more shadowy, and much more powerful position, to hold than CEO/President of any company because it's a position backed by government force.  Hell, it'll take a major power change in November just to get a look at the Fed's books (maybe).
 
As for the media:
With how the education system is this country is currently run I'm really glad we still have a free media not beholden to the state (though the FCC's a commin').  We'd probably be living in some sort of totalitarian state by now if not for free-market competition in media.  FOX News, CNN, and MSNBC (not that anyone watches them) are just presenting the same drivel from different vantage points. 
 
People do need to do their own research but they also need to stop looking at each issue as a chance to join a "team".  We need more individualthink and less groupthink.


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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

A gay marriage to a woman!? Now THAT is progressive
You're a lil old for my taste anyway Wink

How's the joke go?  I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body. LOL


You're a woman who likes other women trapped in a man's body?  Shocked  Confused

I'm sure I'll see you on Jerry Springer.  Wink

Do I get to throw chairs at anyone? Tongue


No.  You will violate the rights of tetrapods.  Stern Smile

tetrapods????  tetrapods???? what about the transphibians?

By the way many may not know this but transphibians comes from a sketch on a show called Fridays that tried to compete somewhat it Saturday Night Live.  Another bit of trivia: King Crimson did an appearance on the show.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x8ilh9_elephant-talk-thela-hun-ginjeet_music


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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

A gay marriage to a woman!? Now THAT is progressive
You're a lil old for my taste anyway Wink

How's the joke go?  I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body. LOL


You're a woman who likes other women trapped in a man's body?  Shocked  Confused

I'm sure I'll see you on Jerry Springer.  Wink

Do I get to throw chairs at anyone? Tongue


No.  You will violate the rights of tetrapods.  Stern Smile
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Originally posted by Epignosis Epignosis wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

A gay marriage to a woman!? Now THAT is progressive
You're a lil old for my taste anyway Wink

How's the joke go?  I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body. LOL


You're a woman who likes other women trapped in a man's body?  Shocked  Confused

I'm sure I'll see you on Jerry Springer.  Wink

Do I get to throw chairs at anyone? Tongue
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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That is a libertarian show!
Forget involvement of any kind...just put nazi's and commies together and let them settle their differences through chair throwing!
I think when I run for office Im going to make that the new law making procedure!
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

A gay marriage to a woman!? Now THAT is progressive
You're a lil old for my taste anyway Wink

How's the joke go?  I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body. LOL


You're a woman who likes other women trapped in a man's body?  Shocked  Confused

I'm sure I'll see you on Jerry Springer.  Wink
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Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

A gay marriage to a woman!? Now THAT is progressive
You're a lil old for my taste anyway Wink

How's the joke go?  I'm a lesbian trapped in a man's body. LOL
Released date are often when it it impacted you but recorded dates are when it really happened...
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A gay marriage to a woman!? Now THAT is progressive
You're a lil old for my taste anyway Wink
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Originally posted by JJLehto JJLehto wrote:

Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Mandatory gay marriages for everyone! LOL


I claim Slarti as my domestic life partner, a gay couple each with the same name!
How f*cking progressive is that?

I'm sorry, but I'm already gay married to my wife. Tongue


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Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

You do have to wonder about people who don't want the government to help the needy, but are all for the government intervening when two people want to show their commitment to each other out of love.


yeah what is that?  same with abortion, it's truly bizarre
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Originally posted by Easy Money Easy Money wrote:

You do have to wonder about people who don't want the government to help the needy, but are all for the government intervening when two people want to show their commitment to each other out of love.


What!? Don't bring up such things! Wink
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You do have to wonder about people who don't want the government to help the needy, but are all for the government intervening when two people want to show their commitment to each other out of love.
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Originally posted by Slartibartfast Slartibartfast wrote:

Mandatory gay marriages for everyone! LOL


I claim Slarti as my domestic life partner, a gay couple each with the same name!
How f*cking progressive is that?
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Mandatory gay marriages for everyone! LOL

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