Forum Home Forum Home > Progressive Music Lounges > Books and Miscellaneous Reviews
  New Posts New Posts RSS Feed - Out-Bloody-Rageous (Graham Bennett): Soft Machine
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login

Topic ClosedOut-Bloody-Rageous (Graham Bennett): Soft Machine

 Post Reply Post Reply
Author
Message
Dick Heath View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Jazz-Rock Specialist

Joined: April 19 2004
Location: England
Status: Offline
Points: 12812
Direct Link To This Post Topic: Out-Bloody-Rageous (Graham Bennett): Soft Machine
    Posted: May 13 2010 at 09:01
I see the original thread on this book, with reviews, is closed(?)
 
 
Recently been speaking to Graham Bennett, author of the prize-winning Out-Bloody-Rageous, who tells me the paperback edition will be publshed between now and the end of the year. He is proof-reading the publisher's galleys at the moment.
 
Updating will be included - for instant a huge number of CDs (new and remastered) and DVDs have appeared since the book was originally published. Whether Ollie Hassall's audition for Machine is not included I haven't been told.


Edited by Dick Heath - May 13 2010 at 09:02
The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS.
CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php
Host by PA's Dick Heath.

Back to Top
harmonium.ro View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator

Honorary Collaborator / Retired Admin

Joined: August 18 2008
Location: Anna Calvi
Status: Offline
Points: 22989
Direct Link To This Post Posted: May 13 2010 at 09:04
Old threads are locked automatically by the forum software, but they can be reactivated upon request to the admins Smile
Back to Top
fuxi View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: March 08 2006
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 2459
Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2010 at 05:41
I'm glad Out-Bloody-Rageous won that prize back in 2006, beating (among others) Johnny Rogan's book on Van Morrison. At least there's SOME justice in this world! (I've read stuff by Rogan in the past and he simply isn't in the same league as Bennett.)

It seems that in the past four or five years a new type of rock critic has emerged: someone who writes assuredly, with a superior sense of style, but without hyperbole, about intelligent music. Prime examples: Bennett (with the book mentioned here), Sid Smith (with his book on King Crimson) and, of course, Bill Bruford (with his autobio, probably the most insightful volume on progressive rock to appear so far).

The great thing about all these authors is that they seriously try to analyse the music, and the scene it sprang from, without mythologising or deifying the artists. Exaggerated hero-worship was always a great problem with earlier generations of critics. Take, for example, Nicholas Pegg's gigantic volume on David Bowie. It's full of useful information, but Pegg seems convinced Bowie is (or was) the greatest thing to emerge since brown bread, and his inclination to emphasize this belief again and again really grates. Same problem with Ben Watson's entertaining book about Zappa: Watson venerates every note (and every word) Zappa ever wrote, which is just plain childish.

So I'm very glad to hear Bennett's book is making it into paperback - the only problem is that I may need to buy another copy, because of all the extra information it will offer! Meanwhile, I believe this Frenchman who's in charge of Calyx (a website devoted to the Canterbury Scene) is still working on his own book about the entire scene. Sorry, what's his name again? And does anyone have any idea how he's getting on?
Back to Top
calyx_AL View Drop Down
Forum Newbie
Forum Newbie
Avatar

Joined: October 22 2006
Location: France
Status: Offline
Points: 5
Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2010 at 08:02
Originally posted by fuxi fuxi wrote:

Meanwhile, I believe this Frenchman who's in charge of Calyx (a website devoted to the Canterbury Scene) is still working on his own book about the entire scene. Sorry, what's his name again? And does anyone have any idea how he's getting on?


Getting on, fine, thanks. I've published two books, one on Pink Floyd and just recently a history of prog. The Canterbury history should be next, hopefully late 2011. Need to trim it down & finish writing what isn't finished.

Bad news: these are all in French. So perhaps of little use to you.
An English translation would be logical... But how much more underpaid work would that imply? Hard to contemplate that extra ordeal right now I'm afraid.

Aymeric Leroy (that's my name)
Back to Top
toroddfuglesteg View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar
Retired

Joined: March 04 2008
Location: Retirement Home
Status: Offline
Points: 3658
Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2010 at 08:18

If this thread is in praise of Graham Bennet's book on Soft Machine, I would like to add my own approval of this book. It is an excellent read and it has opened up a new universe to me. I am looking forward to the paperback which I will also purchase. 

Overall, an excellent read and must-have for every Caravan, Matching Mole and Soft Machine fan out there. 

Back to Top
Sean Trane View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator

Prog Folk

Joined: April 29 2004
Location: Heart of Europe
Status: Offline
Points: 20240
Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2010 at 09:17

I started this book about three years ago, and stopped 1/3 of the way through, because I simply had no time and many more urgent reading to do

OBR is a fascinating read, where Wyatt"s mother is the unsung heroe of the Canterbury sdcene for holding the Wyatt-Ellidge mansion open to all marginal artistes.....
 
- - - - - - - -
 
I should really get back to it (OBR), but I just bought four Le Mot Et Le Reste books, among which is Aymeric's two (the Floyd one is almost finished >> nothing revolutionary, but a good perspective of the group's studio works and some nice interpretations)....  This is an excellent collection: I aready have some eight books  and I'm waiting for Magma's book in Sept in the same collection
let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
Back to Top
fuxi View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: March 08 2006
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 2459
Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2010 at 09:38
Originally posted by calyx_AL calyx_AL wrote:


Originally posted by fuxi fuxi wrote:

Meanwhile, I believe this Frenchman who's in charge of Calyx (a website devoted to the Canterbury Scene) is still working on his own book about the entire scene. Sorry, what's his name again? And does anyone have any idea how he's getting on?
Getting on, fine, thanks. I've published two books, one on Pink Floyd and just recently a history of prog. The Canterbury history should be next, hopefully late 2011. Need to trim it down & finish writing what isn't finished.Bad news: these are all in French. So perhaps of little use to you.An English translation would be logical... But how much more underpaid work would that imply? Hard to contemplate that extra ordeal right now I'm afraid.Aymeric Leroy (that's my name)


Thank you, Aymeric, I greatly admire your Calyx website and I look forward to publication of Za Big Book! (No offense; just paraphrasing Daevid Allen circa The Flying Teapot.) Meanwhile I'll definitely take a look at your existing titles on the French Amazon site!

And talking about un(der)paid work: I'm trying to survive as a literary translator myself, but I could make at least three times more money if I got into full-time teaching. (And teaching is not exactly the best-paid job in the world.) Ah, the things we do for love...
Back to Top
calyx_AL View Drop Down
Forum Newbie
Forum Newbie
Avatar

Joined: October 22 2006
Location: France
Status: Offline
Points: 5
Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2010 at 09:40
Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

I'm waiting for Magma's book in Sept in the same collection


What do you mean? The Magma book by Philippe Gonin came out in February.
A book in Jimi Hendrix just came out, then no new publications until next autumn.
Back to Top
fuxi View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: March 08 2006
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 2459
Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2010 at 09:50
Originally posted by toroddfuglesteg toroddfuglesteg wrote:

If this thread is in praise of Graham Bennet's book on Soft Machine, I would like to add my own approval of this book. It is an excellent read and it has opened up a new universe to me. I am looking forward to the paperback which I will also purchase. 

Overall, an excellent read and must-have for every Caravan, Matching Mole and Soft Machine fan out there. 



I totally agree, the book is SO enjoyable... One of the main reasons is that (like Bill Bruford) Bennett is not only well-informed; he's also a truly gifted writer.

Many summers ago, I tried to enjoy THE MUSIC IS ALL THAT MATTERS, a historical survey of prog (NOT by Bennett). This contained some wonderfully comic passages but it was written rather sloppily. Around the same time, one American academic wrote ROCKING THE CLASSICS, another book analysing prog (both musically and thematically), and to my feeling HE took the entire genre a little too seriously. (Sorry, I forgot his name, but he has since written a huge volume on ELP. Anyway, it wasn't Bill Martin, whose work I find totally indigestible.)

When you look at Bennett, he's clearly a cut above the rest.
Back to Top
Sean Trane View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator

Prog Folk

Joined: April 29 2004
Location: Heart of Europe
Status: Offline
Points: 20240
Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 05 2010 at 14:44
Originally posted by calyx_AL calyx_AL wrote:

Originally posted by Sean Trane Sean Trane wrote:

I'm waiting for Magma's book in Sept in the same collection


What do you mean? The Magma book by Philippe Gonin came out in February.
A book in Jimi Hendrix just came out, then no new publications until next autumn.
OK, Aymeric.
 
I had my infos mixed up then....
I wasn't aware it was already out.  I guess I expected it to come out simultaneously with the second part of hard & heavy (which i'll probably skip), which is due in Sept/Oct
let's just stay above the moral melee
prefer the sink to the gutter
keep our sand-castle virtues
content to be a doer
as well as a thinker,
prefer lifting our pen
rather than un-sheath our sword
Back to Top
Dick Heath View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Jazz-Rock Specialist

Joined: April 19 2004
Location: England
Status: Offline
Points: 12812
Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2010 at 14:48
Originally posted by fuxi fuxi wrote:

one American academic wrote ROCKING THE CLASSICS,


I agree to a certain extent since it read to me like an academic thesis - a superior masters rather than a weak PhD thesis, however. I'm fascinated that the book got issued on such a renown academic publishing house - and an English one too. But author Ed Macan is a Californian based music academic, although he does  dabble as a leader of a semi-pro band Hermetic Science, that seem to like their ELP (he wrote on book them too) and Rush covers. I reviewed the book on Amazon.UK quite some time go which chalked up it 25th favorable response only recently. I admit I reviewed the book relatively harshly (e.g. I think he is clueless about Canterbury guitarists), but Ed Macan still kindly sent me two of Hermetic Science's albums.
The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS.
CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php
Host by PA's Dick Heath.

Back to Top
fuxi View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: March 08 2006
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 2459
Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 08 2010 at 15:40
^ Somewhere in ROCKING THE CLASSICS, Macan says that Hermetic Science use "mallet instruments" quite a bit. Which makes me wonder, are they similar in any way to Pierre Moerlen's Gong, or to Gongzilla? And if they are prog, why haven't they made it to Progarchives?
Back to Top
Dick Heath View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Jazz-Rock Specialist

Joined: April 19 2004
Location: England
Status: Offline
Points: 12812
Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 10 2010 at 16:39
Originally posted by fuxi fuxi wrote:

^ Somewhere in ROCKING THE CLASSICS, Macan says that Hermetic Science use "mallet instruments" quite a bit. Which makes me wonder, are they similar in any way to Pierre Moerlen's Gong, or to Gongzilla? And if they are prog, why haven't they made it to Progarchives?


No. I don't Macan will be slighted if I said an amateur band of academic musicians, so not in the league of the bands you named. But they do interesting arrangements - Macan does a solo grand piano arrangement /version of Tarkus on one of the HS albums - not bad but you can hear the crickets chirping in back ground,
The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS.
CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php
Host by PA's Dick Heath.

Back to Top
fuxi View Drop Down
Prog Reviewer
Prog Reviewer
Avatar

Joined: March 08 2006
Location: United Kingdom
Status: Offline
Points: 2459
Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 10 2010 at 16:51
^ That's amazing, the tank vs. the crickets, ha ha!
Back to Top
Drifter View Drop Down
Forum Groupie
Forum Groupie


Joined: May 23 2010
Location: Pa. USA
Status: Offline
Points: 40
Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2010 at 17:44
I'm glad to see a paperback edition is due shortly since used copies are going for out-bloody-rageous prices on the Amazon marketplace. I've been wanting to read this one for awhile now.
Back to Top
Padraic View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Honorary Collaborator

Joined: February 16 2006
Location: Pennsylvania
Status: Offline
Points: 31169
Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 12 2010 at 22:19
Originally posted by calyx_AL calyx_AL wrote:

Originally posted by fuxi fuxi wrote:

Meanwhile, I believe this Frenchman who's in charge of Calyx (a website devoted to the Canterbury Scene) is still working on his own book about the entire scene. Sorry, what's his name again? And does anyone have any idea how he's getting on?


Getting on, fine, thanks. I've published two books, one on Pink Floyd and just recently a history of prog. The Canterbury history should be next, hopefully late 2011. Need to trim it down & finish writing what isn't finished.

Bad news: these are all in French. So perhaps of little use to you.
An English translation would be logical... But how much more underpaid work would that imply? Hard to contemplate that extra ordeal right now I'm afraid.

Aymeric Leroy (that's my name)


whoa Aymeric you made an account here

you're an invaluable asset to Canterbury history, I can't thank you enough for all your work
Back to Top
Man With Hat View Drop Down
Collaborator
Collaborator
Avatar
Jazz-Rock/Fusion/Canterbury Team

Joined: March 12 2005
Location: Neurotica
Status: Offline
Points: 166178
Direct Link To This Post Posted: June 13 2010 at 01:32
Originally posted by Drifter Drifter wrote:

I'm glad to see a paperback edition is due shortly since used copies are going for out-bloody-rageous prices on the Amazon marketplace. I've been wanting to read this one for awhile now.
 
Indeed!
 
I'll definitely try to pick this up. I need a new book to read after finishing Bruford's bio. TongueBig smile
Dig me...But don't...Bury me
I'm running still, I shall until, one day, I hope that I'll arrive
Warning: Listening to jazz excessively can cause a laxative effect.
Back to Top
Dick Heath View Drop Down
Special Collaborator
Special Collaborator
Avatar
Jazz-Rock Specialist

Joined: April 19 2004
Location: England
Status: Offline
Points: 12812
Direct Link To This Post Posted: October 30 2014 at 09:07
Graham Bennett's prize winning biog of Soft Machine Out Bloody Rageous has been updated (apparently includes the Ollie Hassall audition story now) but is  published ONLY in electronic form, e.g. via Amazon, from today.
The best eclectic music on the Web,8-11pm BST/GMT THURS.
CLICK ON: http://www.lborosu.org.uk/media/lcr/live.php
Host by PA's Dick Heath.

Back to Top
moshkito View Drop Down
Forum Senior Member
Forum Senior Member
Avatar

Joined: January 04 2007
Location: Grok City
Status: Offline
Points: 17511
Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 27 2015 at 09:51
Hi
 
Adding this book to the list ... specially after finishing Robert Wyatt's.
Music is not just for listening ... it is for LIVING ... you got to feel it to know what's it about! Not being told!
www.pedrosena.com
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down



This page was generated in 0.180 seconds.
Donate monthly and keep PA fast-loading and ad-free forever.