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Posted: June 03 2010 at 19:46
Tsevir Leirbag wrote:
jampa17 wrote:
Tsevir Leirbag wrote:
I'm not quite sure if I get the meaning of dodecaphonism. I mean, I get it, but I'm not sure about how to use that. It's interesting.
I don't have a clue what that means... explain it to me Gabe please...
Well. I'll try my best.
It is a method of composition based on series of notes and/or musical elements. That's called serialism.
The more common serie is the "12 sounds technique", including the twelve notes of the chromatic scale. They succeed to each other in a precise, particular order which is called Grundgestalt ("basic serie").
Series can be used in three different ways: retrogradation (or recurrency), inversion and inversion retrogradation. With the first technique, you play from the last note to the first note. The inversion consists in reversing "intervalles" (I don't know the English word). Inversion retrogradation is when you play the reversion's notes from first to last. Each form can be played on 11 different degree of the scale. That makes a total of 48 possibilities of forms.
It's something like this.
Oh... interesting... I don't see that how you can use it, the term I say... but for me it's kind of, you know, whatever... for composition, you will always work in some series, the difference is that you don't manage a rule that makes you go in a particular "series" order.. and in spanish is "intervalos" so I guess in english is something similar...
Change the program inside... Stay in silence is a crime.
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Posted: June 03 2010 at 19:48
jampa17 wrote:
Tsevir Leirbag wrote:
jampa17 wrote:
Tsevir Leirbag wrote:
I'm not quite sure if I get the meaning of dodecaphonism. I mean, I get it, but I'm not sure about how to use that. It's interesting.
I don't have a clue what that means... explain it to me Gabe please...
Well. I'll try my best.
It is a method of composition based on series of notes and/or musical elements. That's called serialism.
The more common serie is the "12 sounds technique", including the twelve notes of the chromatic scale. They succeed to each other in a precise, particular order which is called Grundgestalt ("basic serie").
Series can be used in three different ways: retrogradation (or recurrency), inversion and inversion retrogradation. With the first technique, you play from the last note to the first note. The inversion consists in reversing "intervalles" (I don't know the English word). Inversion retrogradation is when you play the reversion's notes from first to last. Each form can be played on 11 different degree of the scale. That makes a total of 48 possibilities of forms.
It's something like this.
Oh... interesting... I don't see that how you can use it, the term I say... but for me it's kind of, you know, whatever... for composition, you will always work in some series, the difference is that you don't manage a rule that makes you go in a particular "series" order.. and in spanish is "intervalos" so I guess in english is something similar...
Dodecaphonism seems related to atonality, though Shcoenberg who created it (if I understood well) meant to do it as a tonality...
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Posted: June 03 2010 at 19:52
Tsevir Leirbag wrote:
jampa17 wrote:
Tsevir Leirbag wrote:
jampa17 wrote:
Tsevir Leirbag wrote:
I'm not quite sure if I get the meaning of dodecaphonism. I mean, I get it, but I'm not sure about how to use that. It's interesting.
I don't have a clue what that means... explain it to me Gabe please...
Well. I'll try my best.
It is a method of composition based on series of notes and/or musical elements. That's called serialism.
The more common serie is the "12 sounds technique", including the twelve notes of the chromatic scale. They succeed to each other in a precise, particular order which is called Grundgestalt ("basic serie").
Series can be used in three different ways: retrogradation (or recurrency), inversion and inversion retrogradation. With the first technique, you play from the last note to the first note. The inversion consists in reversing "intervalles" (I don't know the English word). Inversion retrogradation is when you play the reversion's notes from first to last. Each form can be played on 11 different degree of the scale. That makes a total of 48 possibilities of forms.
It's something like this.
Oh... interesting... I don't see that how you can use it, the term I say... but for me it's kind of, you know, whatever... for composition, you will always work in some series, the difference is that you don't manage a rule that makes you go in a particular "series" order.. and in spanish is "intervalos" so I guess in english is something similar...
Dodecaphonism seems related to atonality, though Shcoenberg who created it (if I understood well) meant to do it as a tonality...
You see... tonality defined by whom and what is the result... at the end Gabe, is just about the same 12 notes don't you think... too much theory over it is kind of... a mess...
Change the program inside... Stay in silence is a crime.
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Posted: June 03 2010 at 19:54
jampa17 wrote:
[You see... tonality defined by whom and what is the result... at the end Gabe, is just about the same 12 notes don't you think... too much theory over it is kind of... a mess...
Tonality is tonality...
I need to understand more atonality, though. That's what is interesting me. I can't create things in this way if I don't know how it works...
Les mains, les pieds balancés
Sur tant de mers, tant de planchers,
Un marin mort,
Il dormira
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Posted: June 03 2010 at 19:57
Tsevir Leirbag wrote:
jampa17 wrote:
[You see... tonality defined by whom and what is the result... at the end Gabe, is just about the same 12 notes don't you think... too much theory over it is kind of... a mess...
Tonality is tonality...
I need to understand more atonality, though. That's what is interesting me. I can't create things in this way if I don't know how it works...
Oh... come on...!!! just move your fingers around and if you like what it sounds... that's it... at least it's for a formal class or a homework, then no, you SHOULD work it until you get it...!!!
Change the program inside... Stay in silence is a crime.
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Posted: June 03 2010 at 20:03
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Posted: June 03 2010 at 20:04
jampa17 wrote:
Tsevir Leirbag wrote:
jampa17 wrote:
[You see... tonality defined by whom and what is the result... at the end Gabe, is just about the same 12 notes don't you think... too much theory over it is kind of... a mess...
Tonality is tonality...
I need to understand more atonality, though. That's what is interesting me. I can't create things in this way if I don't know how it works...
Oh... come on...!!! just move your fingers around and if you like what it sounds... that's it... at least it's for a formal class or a homework, then no, you SHOULD work it until you get it...!!!
It's not for a formal class nor a homework. It's for fun.
Les mains, les pieds balancés
Sur tant de mers, tant de planchers,
Un marin mort,
Il dormira
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Posted: June 03 2010 at 20:06
Tsevir Leirbag wrote:
jampa17 wrote:
Tsevir Leirbag wrote:
jampa17 wrote:
[You see... tonality defined by whom and what is the result... at the end Gabe, is just about the same 12 notes don't you think... too much theory over it is kind of... a mess...
Tonality is tonality...
I need to understand more atonality, though. That's what is interesting me. I can't create things in this way if I don't know how it works...
Oh... come on...!!! just move your fingers around and if you like what it sounds... that's it... at least it's for a formal class or a homework, then no, you SHOULD work it until you get it...!!!
It's not for a formal class nor a homework. It's for fun.
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Posted: June 03 2010 at 20:07
Tsevir Leirbag wrote:
jampa17 wrote:
Tsevir Leirbag wrote:
jampa17 wrote:
[You see... tonality defined by whom and what is the result... at the end Gabe, is just about the same 12 notes don't you think... too much theory over it is kind of... a mess...
Tonality is tonality...
I need to understand more atonality, though. That's what is interesting me. I can't create things in this way if I don't know how it works...
Oh... come on...!!! just move your fingers around and if you like what it sounds... that's it... at least it's for a formal class or a homework, then no, you SHOULD work it until you get it...!!!
It's not for a formal class nor a homework. It's for fun.
Oh well... use a three chord progression, G, D,C and that's it... Punk band do it all the time and they have fun... and get a loooooot of money...
Change the program inside... Stay in silence is a crime.
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