DT... already a prog legend?

I don't know, I'm fairly open when it comes to music. I like just about everything. Jazz, rock, pop, classical, prog, new age, celtic, etc etc. My best friend, who is 50 by the way, loves Dream Theater. Funny, I know a whole load of musicians and not one of them save for a couple like the band. They refer to them as noisy musical masturbators. To me the band leans toward being complicated for the sake of being complicated. I don't like the band and I've listened to lots of their music because my buddy adores them. Try as I might, I can't get my head around them. This means nothing though in terms of whether or not the band deserves 'legendary' status. Time will tell of course, but for me they are not progressive in terms of so called art rock. I do think that they are progressive in terms of heavy metal music and of course have major appeal to musicians and individuals that find their music attractive and this will undoubtably if not already raise their stock in this regard for that particular style of music. So, yes, legends of progressive metal music for sure.

Alberto Muñoz wrote: I like more PT than DT.

Mike Portnoy alone is a legend! Everything he is involved in from Steve Morse ,to Transatlantic, DT and LTE are phenomenal contributions to prog...

Certif1ed wrote: Fieldofsorrow wrote: Well, Cert1fied, I myself have been enjoying the relevant discussion too, so I'm perfectly happy to continue, regardless of other people's protests. I like to think of myself as past the 'Dream Theater kiddie' condition, but maybe I'm just flattering myself. I was sort of anticipating a further break down of my recent post, in response to your claims of DT's generic attitude. Any thoughts? I'm still entirely convinced that they are a progressive group, but I'm always open to new ideas.   Er... which post was that?   I had a quick look back, and did respond briefly to what I thought were the key points you had made.   As far as DT being Progressive - I've never actually questioned that.   It's the putting them on the same pedestal as Prog bands that puzzles me, when the intrinsic nature of the music is MUCH closer to heavy metal than it is to "Prog".   They were compared to Deep Purple, who, IIRC are a Prog-Related band - and I do understand the comparison, even if I do balk at it somewhat.   Compare them to Crimson, ELP, GG or Genesis, and we are definitely talking about completely different musical approaches, not to mention genres, so it's not appropriate to label DT as Prog legends.   Call them legends of Progressive Metal if you like - at least that's an appropriate genre, even if the definitions are almost in opposition to the actual music - but I think there's possibly another band who are, y'know, more legendary...?     ...about the DT kiddie thing... if the cap fits, wear it, if not, then there's no problem

Ah, I've been under the misconception that you didn't find them progressive. Perhaps I can now begin to understand better the nature of your argument.

But wasn't the approach the same in pushing forward what rock (or metal) could be? The results may have sounded very different, but that has always been the case for Prog.

I suppose my previous post dealt a little more with how you could treat them as a generic heavy metal band, when their harmonic and rhythmic choices were so much more sophisticated than what had come before, and their textures and colours were certainly more diverse. How do you explain the idea that they are both generic and progressive?

You've seen his avatar, I suppose?

Raff wrote: You've seen his avatar, I suppose?

Raff wrote: jampa17 wrote: Raff wrote: You've seen his avatar, I suppose?   Yeah... the dressed kitties are taking this place over... but Micky's avatar is quite cool actually... even coming from a dog lover as myself... Juan, MY dressed kitty was the first to be seen around here, at least a couple of years ago. Then I changed it, took some breaks from the site, and brought it back only recently. Actually, the thing I like most about that picture is the combination of the kitty's expression and the menacing tone of the caption.

Octavarium sums up their situation pretty well.