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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2010 at 19:55
Originally posted by Tsevir Leirbag Tsevir Leirbag wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

CoAM have been rejected by Eclectic and Avant in the past - if they are to be re-evaluated by either team it means they qualify as a "Controversial Band" and require the unanimous vote of every team member.
 
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Bands and artists will be considered potentially controversial if they:

  • Are not generally listed by other prog sites* AND/OR
  • They have been rejected in the past on the basis of their prog credentials

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Means that if ONE member rejects them, they're rejected?
That's the rule.
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Points: 8321 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2010 at 19:56
Alright, I just wasn't sure if that was what it meant.
We'll stick to the rules.
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Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

CoAM have been rejected by Eclectic and Avant in the past - if they are to be re-evaluated by either team it means they qualify as a "Controversial Band" and require the unanimous vote of every team member.
 
Quote Identification of a controversial proposal

Bands and artists will be considered potentially controversial if they:

  • Are not generally listed by other prog sites* AND/OR
  • They have been rejected in the past on the basis of their prog credentials

::snip::


Correct me if I am wrong, Dean, but nobody ever doubted that they were progressive when they were proposed the first time; it's just that nobody could quite agree on which genre they belonged in. I don't really see how this rule applies, in that case.

My memory could be fuzzy, though. Embarrassed
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Points: 8321 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2010 at 20:37
Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

CoAM have been rejected by Eclectic and Avant in the past - if they are to be re-evaluated by either team it means they qualify as a "Controversial Band" and require the unanimous vote of every team member.
 
Quote Identification of a controversial proposal

Bands and artists will be considered potentially controversial if they:

  • Are not generally listed by other prog sites* AND/OR
  • They have been rejected in the past on the basis of their prog credentials

::snip::


Correct me if I am wrong, Dean, but nobody ever doubted that they were progressive when they were proposed the first time; it's just that nobody could quite agree on which genre they belonged in. I don't really see how this rule applies, in that case.

My memory could be fuzzy, though. Embarrassed
 
I think he's right.
I even think NOBODY said they weren't progressive. But that's some time ago, not sure if I remember well.
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Points: 37575 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 14 2010 at 20:54
Originally posted by Tsevir Leirbag Tsevir Leirbag wrote:

Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

CoAM have been rejected by Eclectic and Avant in the past - if they are to be re-evaluated by either team it means they qualify as a "Controversial Band" and require the unanimous vote of every team member.
 
Quote Identification of a controversial proposal

Bands and artists will be considered potentially controversial if they:

  • Are not generally listed by other prog sites* AND/OR
  • They have been rejected in the past on the basis of their prog credentials

::snip::


Correct me if I am wrong, Dean, but nobody ever doubted that they were progressive when they were proposed the first time; it's just that nobody could quite agree on which genre they belonged in. I don't really see how this rule applies, in that case.

My memory could be fuzzy, though. Embarrassed
 
I think he's right.
I even think NOBODY said they weren't progressive. But that's some time ago, not sure if I remember well.
Their rejection from ZART was on the grounds that they were not Avant-Prog - as stated on three seperate occasions by James when repeated claims that the music was Avant Garde were made - implying that it was the "Prog" part that the ZART team had the problem with.
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Points: 17493 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2010 at 02:01
Also Psych/Space Team have already evaluated Casualties Of Applied Metaphysics around last April (yet I've not joined there) and rejected because of their less Psych/Space essence.
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^ Yeah, they're definitely not Space-Rock. 
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Originally posted by Negoba Negoba wrote:

PA has already included amateur content from members.



Not because it was from members and no because it was amateur. Officially released/singed/purchasable units were evaluated, and evaluated music itself is prog rock.

We included loads of amateurish releases worldwide that had nothing to do with our members. We're not friend's music database, not even a good music database, we are listing released prog. Simple as that.


I know that you know that, I just had to get it off my chest...and just in case anyone's in doubt.Smile
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Points: 8321 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2010 at 15:57
Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Tsevir Leirbag Tsevir Leirbag wrote:

Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

CoAM have been rejected by Eclectic and Avant in the past - if they are to be re-evaluated by either team it means they qualify as a "Controversial Band" and require the unanimous vote of every team member.
 
Quote Identification of a controversial proposal

Bands and artists will be considered potentially controversial if they:

  • Are not generally listed by other prog sites* AND/OR
  • They have been rejected in the past on the basis of their prog credentials

::snip::


Correct me if I am wrong, Dean, but nobody ever doubted that they were progressive when they were proposed the first time; it's just that nobody could quite agree on which genre they belonged in. I don't really see how this rule applies, in that case.

My memory could be fuzzy, though. Embarrassed
 
I think he's right.
I even think NOBODY said they weren't progressive. But that's some time ago, not sure if I remember well.
Their rejection from ZART was on the grounds that they were not Avant-Prog - as stated on three seperate occasions by James when repeated claims that the music was Avant Garde were made - implying that it was the "Prog" part that the ZART team had the problem with.
 
Oh, sorry then Embarrassed
I guess it won't be accepted this time again...
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Points: 4900 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2010 at 16:06
Originally posted by Tsevir Leirbag Tsevir Leirbag wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

Originally posted by Tsevir Leirbag Tsevir Leirbag wrote:

Originally posted by JLocke JLocke wrote:

Originally posted by Dean Dean wrote:

CoAM have been rejected by Eclectic and Avant in the past - if they are to be re-evaluated by either team it means they qualify as a "Controversial Band" and require the unanimous vote of every team member.
 
Quote Identification of a controversial proposal

Bands and artists will be considered potentially controversial if they:

  • Are not generally listed by other prog sites* AND/OR
  • They have been rejected in the past on the basis of their prog credentials

::snip::


Correct me if I am wrong, Dean, but nobody ever doubted that they were progressive when they were proposed the first time; it's just that nobody could quite agree on which genre they belonged in. I don't really see how this rule applies, in that case.

My memory could be fuzzy, though. Embarrassed
 
I think he's right.
I even think NOBODY said they weren't progressive. But that's some time ago, not sure if I remember well.
Their rejection from ZART was on the grounds that they were not Avant-Prog - as stated on three seperate occasions by James when repeated claims that the music was Avant Garde were made - implying that it was the "Prog" part that the ZART team had the problem with.
 
Oh, sorry then Embarrassed
I guess it won't be accepted this time again...

What a shock. Ermm
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Points: 5148 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 15 2010 at 17:25
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Points: 22989 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2010 at 10:55
So...

Is any team currently evaluating or re-evaluating this submission?
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Points: 5208 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 17 2010 at 10:58
In any case, the newest album is a big step forward in quality from what I'd heard before. Keep making music guys!!!
You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.
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Just to stir the pot a little... Say a band had two borderline prog/pop albums that got suggested to and rejected by a genre team. Then, a year later, released an undisputable 100% prog album. Have they lost their chance to be in the database because they were already rejected once?

My point is think it should be fair to allow a reevaluation if a band releases new material, especially if there is a significant improvement in quality or progressive tendencies.
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Points: 3968 		Direct Link To This Post Posted: March 20 2010 at 05:11
Originally posted by Sckxyss Sckxyss wrote:

Just to stir the pot a little... Say a band had two borderline prog/pop albums that got suggested to and rejected by a genre team. Then, a year later, released an undisputable 100% prog album. Have they lost their chance to be in the database because they were already rejected once?

My point is think it should be fair to allow a reevaluation if a band releases new material, especially if there is a significant improvement in quality or progressive tendencies.

Very good point.
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Originally posted by Sckxyss Sckxyss wrote:

Just to stir the pot a little... Say a band had two borderline prog/pop albums that got suggested to and rejected by a genre team. Then, a year later, released an undisputable 100% prog album. Have they lost their chance to be in the database because they were already rejected once?

My point is think it should be fair to allow a reevaluation if a band releases new material, especially if there is a significant improvement in quality or progressive tendencies.


as stated before such bands/artists have a controversial status - however - they don't have lost their chance ...
in such a case a team can re-evaluate and must have an unanimous decision ...




Edited by Rivertree - March 20 2010 at 06:39


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Originally posted by harmonium.ro harmonium.ro wrote:

So...

Is any team currently evaluating or re-evaluating this submission?


From their Progfreak chart: http://progfreak.com/Casualties-of-Applied-Metaphysics,_dbe,artists,_auto_2283326.xhtml?path=pa/recent it seems like no team has taken up on them for a (re)evaluation, so I'm heading this for the ZART.
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