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Negoba

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Posted: March 14 2010 at 19:15

PA has already included amateur content from members.

You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.

Tsevir Leirbag View Drop Down

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Posted: March 14 2010 at 19:13

^ What does that mean (sorry, I've never heard this expression)?

Les mains, les pieds balancés
Sur tant de mers, tant de planchers,
Un marin mort,
Il dormira

- Paul Éluard

Negoba

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Posted: March 14 2010 at 19:11

The cat's already out of the bag on this one.

You are quite a fine person, and I am very fond of you. But you are only quite a little fellow, in a wide world, after all.

Tsevir Leirbag View Drop Down

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Posted: March 14 2010 at 18:59

It may take longer for me to give a final answer, finally. I'll follow the thread and let know when I'm ready.

Les mains, les pieds balancés
Sur tant de mers, tant de planchers,
Un marin mort,
Il dormira

- Paul Éluard

Tony R

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Posted: March 14 2010 at 18:40

Noted.

JLocke

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Posted: March 14 2010 at 18:32

If my opinion is worth anything . . .

The first two releases these guys did were clearly more-or-less tinkering around with ideas, and whether or not they legitimately fit into this site was much more of an uncertainty.

However, with this latest release, it's clear to me that the musical composition and structure of the songs are much stronger and have a lot more merit. In other words, it can actually be called 'music' without any real doubt.

Whether or not that means they should be included here, I honestly have no idea. I'll leave that to the experts in the genre teams, but what I AM saying is that their music actually sounds like music now, and no longer feels like a kid simply mucked about in his room for a few hours. That's a step forward, in any case.

Tsevir Leirbag View Drop Down

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Posted: March 14 2010 at 17:46

Tony R wrote:

Tsevir Leirbag wrote:

Tony, does your post mean it should not be evaluated?

I just want to know if I should or not.

Thanks.

Of course it should be evaluated. I am just saying that we should be careful. The archives is a serious and respected database of legitimate bands and needs to be discerning in what it includes. A viable product is difficult to define but record labels seem to do it very effectively. We should not be bushwhacked into including every bedroom hobbyist for fear of offending a current member, ex-band members and other proposers who might have a vested interest. That is what Myspace is for, not Progarchives.
It should be a privilege to be included with the likes of Pink Floyd, Genesis, Dream Theater, Yes et al and whilst we cannot expect all bands to match up to those lofty standards we can at least expect that we do not tarnish those bands or our reputation with injudicious entries.

Okay, I get your point; and agree with it.

As I said, I don't think that knowing one of the members would alter my judgement and/or my evaluation of said band.

I will be careful in my evaluation as you suggested though. But I always am, I think.

Les mains, les pieds balancés
Sur tant de mers, tant de planchers,
Un marin mort,
Il dormira

- Paul Éluard

Tony R

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Posted: March 14 2010 at 17:42

Tsevir Leirbag wrote:

Tony, does your post mean it should not be evaluated?

I just want to know if I should or not.

Thanks.

Tsevir Leirbag View Drop Down

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Posted: March 14 2010 at 17:34

Tony, does your post mean it should not be evaluated?

I just want to know if I should or not.

Thanks.

Les mains, les pieds balancés
Sur tant de mers, tant de planchers,
Un marin mort,
Il dormira

- Paul Éluard

Tony R

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Posted: March 14 2010 at 17:31

Me too...

A Person

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Posted: March 14 2010 at 17:30

Raff wrote:

I have already offered to review Alex's album for Progressor, and got the green light from the site's owner. Unfortunately, I am very much backlogged (have some 100 CDs at home), so I cannot promise to do anything at a very short notice - but review it I will, I promise Smile

In any case, I look forward to reading it. Thumbs Up

Raff

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Posted: March 14 2010 at 17:26

I have already offered to review Alex's album for Progressor, and got the green light from the site's owner. Unfortunately, I am very much backlogged (have some 100 CDs at home), so I cannot promise to do anything at a very short notice - but review it I will, I promise Smile

Tsevir Leirbag View Drop Down

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Posted: March 14 2010 at 17:26

I do not think that could alterate (not sure if that's a word) our judgement or opinion on his band for inclusion.

I'm listening to the album now for the first time. I'll give an opinion after the listen

Les mains, les pieds balancés
Sur tant de mers, tant de planchers,
Un marin mort,
Il dormira

- Paul Éluard

A Person

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Posted: March 14 2010 at 17:25

Tony R wrote:

When the project rises above hobby status and has legitimate appeal it may be considered.
Suggestion:
Offer an album to a legitimate independent reviewer (ie not Progarchives)or record label or even better get another legitimate Prog site interested in it.

The fact that Progarchives members/collabs are involved in this puts us in a difficult position.

That is completely understandable.

Tony R

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Posted: March 14 2010 at 17:18

When the project rises above hobby status and has legitimate appeal it may be considered.
Suggestion:
Offer an album to a legitimate independant reviewer (ie not Progarchives)or record label or even better get another legitimate Prog site interested in it.

The fact that Progarchives members/collabs are involved in this puts us in a difficult position.

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Posted: March 14 2010 at 17:03

But they are here, or at least on forums:

http://www.progarchives.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=54329&PID=3088690#3088690

They have been already proposed, but to no avail. Or at least not much avail.

There's a point where "avant-garde" and "experimental" becomes "terrible" and "pointless,"

-Andyman1125 on Lulu

Even my

A Person

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Posted: March 14 2010 at 16:33

I was surprised to see that they weren't here already. I always thought they were spot on for Avant, but eclectic seems reasonable as well. If you aren't aware, there music is available here for free.